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Free range skippy is far more reasonable than farming. Imagine the thousands of miles of 4 meter fencing you would require. In drought they would have to be culled (like sheep or cattle) instead of being able to relocate to other water supplies as they do. As free range they live a natural life, controlling their population as the conditions dictate. There is no suffering with a bullet to the head. It is instant. And we wouldnt have all those terrible hooves chopping up the country.
 
Skippy the bush kangaroo
Skippy the Bush BBQ


Save the plants eat all the animals.
 
Love kangaroo, except for one time I tried kangaroo sausages.. I don't know if it was just how they were made, but they were terrible.
 
ok, guys.
im just against the hunting of alot of native animals

introduced pest animals, ok thats abit different and quite often good(pigs, goats ect)

with roos, i hate the numbers of how many they kill, andthen with the joeys.....
if the didn't kill as many or they were aready dead it wouldnt be quite as bad, but....

and steveNT what "hooves" are you talking about

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Free range skippy is far more reasonable than farming. Imagine the thousands of miles of 4 meter fencing you would require. In drought they would have to be culled (like sheep or cattle) instead of being able to relocate to other water supplies as they do. As free range they live a natural life, controlling their population as the conditions dictate. There is no suffering with a bullet to the head. It is instant. And we wouldnt have all those terrible hooves chopping up the country.

what hooves are you talking about?

kangaroos are soft footed and dont do damage, unlike ferel pigs, donkeys, deer, horses, goats. ect



but i do agree with you with some of that

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Whatever, I'm just against people who kill innocent plants for no reason at all.
Saying you would rather starve is absolutley ridiculous, starving to death is quite painful.
Kangaroo is an abundant and healthy food and tastes great!

ok, so maybe i wouldnt want to starve, but i know id rather eat plants and that(wattle and gumleaves are quite nice), but you couldnt get me to eat any animal

i hate people killing "innocent" plants for no reason as well

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Whatever, I'm just against people who kill innocent plants for no reason at all.
Saying you would rather starve is absolutley ridiculous, starving to death is quite painful.
Kangaroo is an abundant and healthy food and tastes great!

ok, so maybe i wouldnt want to starve, but i know id rather eat plants and that(wattle and gumleaves are quite nice), but you couldnt get me to eat any animal

i hate people killing "innocent" plants for no reason as well
 
i realy got to ask what is the diffrence between a roo and a sheep. People get up tight about roo shooting is it because they are so cute because i can tell you if cute = good tasting meat then it is spot on. I dont know how many of you have seen how sheep and cows are killed but what i can tell you is that roo shooting is hell of alot better.
So when it is time to kill sheep this is what happens.
On the station a bunch of men get on motorbikes and ride around chasing them and penning them up.
Next a truck comes along and loads them up takes them away to this place.
This place they go to is where mass murder happens one after the other. The smell its thick you can tast the death in the air and THEY know what is about to happen. They all stand in line and are made to walk in to the both where they will take there last breath. The the bolt gun gose pop and they fall down.
Now they are wiped to the side where there neck is cut so they can bleed out so they are nice and tender for YOU and me eat.
So i would rather eat something that was killed in the paddock with one bullet that had no idear what was about to happen. I would think it would be as close as you could get to dieing in your sleep.
 
they are farmed for that reason, kangaroos arent

Australia bears the shame of being responsible for the largest commercial wildlife slaughter in the world. For killing the kangaroo one of Australia’s most iconic animals, and most species are endemic to Australia.

Each year, Australian ‘roo shooters’ are given the government’s blessing to kill several million kangaroos - the very mammals pictured as the country’s national emblem and emblazoned ...on the tail of every QANTAS jet. Millions more die illegally. The approved quotas for the Australian states has allowed the 1999 slaughter to reach a staggering 5, 668, 416 kangaroos.


It is like going back 100-150 years to an America where birds were slaughtered to make feathered hats and millions of bison were wiped out to make rugs and robes. Wholesale, deliberate, slaughter of wildlife for commercial purposes on this scale just doesn’t happen any more - except in Australia.

These grim industry statistics mean kangaroos are arguably the victims of the largest commercial slaughter of wildlife occurring anywhere. This is not just an Australian concern, however. America and the rest of the world are partly responsible, for hides and meat of the animals killed are exported to use around the world.

" The nature and method of slaughter cannot be ignored. It is barbaric and inhumane. Each night thousands of animals are butchered, many are maimed, the young in pouch are cruelly dispatched and the young at foot are left to fend for themselves. Any reasonable person would not wish to be a party to this slaughter by purchasing kangaroo products."

Imagine this...
A mother kangaroo with her beautiful joey at night in the vast outback. It is a scene millions of years old. What is new is the roar of a four-wheel drive. She turns towards the noise and is transfixed by a searchlight. A rifle cracks and a bullet tears a hole in her neck. She falls, in pain and unable to save her joey, who retreats into her pouch for safety. The first thing the hunter does is to search the pouch and, feeling a joey inside, pulls him out. The hunter tosses him to the ground and stamps on his head. The joey writhes in agony.
The mother struggles as her leg is slit open and a hook inserted through it. She is hauled up onto the truck and slowly dies. The scene is repeated all night long. Older joeys frantically hop away when their mothers are shot - to die a slow and lonely death from cold or starvation. This is the reality of kangaroo killing. But the killing continues. Every restaurant, café and store that sells kangaroo meat or leather supports this massacre. And they are all fed a string of excuses by the Australian Government. Not one of them stands up to scrutiny.

"The cruelty and suffering that we have already seen in the native animal industries means that this is no longer an experiment. Hundreds of thousands of kangaroos each year are not killed humanely, emu chicks in Western Australia are "de-toed" without anaesthesia to reduce risks to handlers, and possums in Tasmania are trapped, transported and killed over a period that now has blown out to anything up to 48 hours. The trade in wildlife is a trade based on profit, without any place for compassion."

Video evidence is available in the ABC documentary "Kangaroos - Faces in the Mob" and the explicit cruelty in the International Fund for Animal Welfare film of Greg Eichner, NSW shooter - farmer. "The kangaroo killing and game meat lobby can no longer conceal the extreme brutality of their trade. For years we have been calling for an end to this industry which causes the lingering death of 1,000,000 joeys. These joeys similar to the joey Jaffa in 'Faces in the Mob' are orphaned when their mothers are shot in the so-called harvest."

All decent Australians should become active in calling upon Federal and State politicians to outlaw this trade - a trade as horrible as the slow slaughter of whales and the clubbing to death of seals or any of the other terrible abuses of wildlife around the world.

Aside from the cruelty which is inherent in the commercial kangaroo killing industry, one land holder in Western NSW has described "pitting" which is the digging of pits to bury kangaroos that have been killed illegally. These same land holders want to legally increase their income by skin only shooting which is more cruel than the carcass trade. They can shoot the kangaroos inhumanely as long as the skin itself is not damaged for the export markets and it is not detected (impossible to police).

Skin only shooting is not only more cruel but it is also open to many illegal abuses. The NSW NPWS fought a Court Case in 1996 to stop this trade and won. Now the landholders have 'friends' in political circles who they are lobbying to reopen the skin only trade in NSW. Kangaroos are killed primarily for their leather and skins. Many millions of kangaroos are killed for the shoe leather trade to Italy and the USA.

NSW farmers have threatened to use political pressure to get what they want (that is, less kangaroos). The welfare of kangaroos is only paid lip service and are the scapegoats for falling prices and incomes. A Tibooburra, NSW farmer (1999) found over 139 kangaroos dead in his front garden from poisoning (the killing is not policed). NSW land holders want kangaroos to come under the control of the Department of Agriculture and taken away from the NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service and they are using their political clout to ensure kangaroo numbers are reduced to "tolerable" levels, which may be zero numbers of kangaroos.

"The trade in wildlife is a trade based on profit, without any place for compassion"http://www.facebook.com/pages/Australian-Society-for-Kangaroos/181248271914864#!/pages/Cruelty-And-The-Kangaroo-Industry/116624668396225?sk=info
 
i hope i am not ment to read all of that. looks like some copy and pastting to me. But I say if its good anofe for the coat of arms its good for my tummy.
 
ok, guys.
im just against the hunting of alot of native animals

introduced pest animals, ok thats abit different and quite often good(pigs, goats ect)

with roos, i hate the numbers of how many they kill, andthen with the joeys.....
if the didn't kill as many or they were aready dead it wouldnt be quite as bad, but....

and steveNT what "hooves" are you talking about

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what hooves are you talking about?

kangaroos are soft footed and dont do damage, unlike ferel pigs, donkeys, deer, horses, goats. ect



but i do agree with you with some of that

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ok, so maybe i wouldnt want to starve, but i know id rather eat plants and that(wattle and gumleaves are quite nice), but you couldnt get me to eat any animal

i hate people killing "innocent" plants for no reason as well

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ok, so maybe i wouldnt want to starve, but i know id rather eat plants and that(wattle and gumleaves are quite nice), but you couldnt get me to eat any animal

i hate people killing "innocent" plants for no reason as well

He means the hooves of grazed sheep and cattle... if the country survived off kangaroo their wouldn't be hooves destroying creek lines etc.

Also, arn't gumleafs toxic? and very low in energy... good luck surviving off them, I don't think your body is equip to digest leaves.
 
He means the hooves of grazed sheep and cattle... if the country survived off kangaroo their wouldn't be hooves destroying creek lines etc.

Also, arn't gumleafs toxic? and very low in energy... good luck surviving off them, I don't think your body is equip to digest leaves.

Eating eucalyptus will make u very sick
 
He means the hooves of grazed sheep and cattle... if the country survived off kangaroo their wouldn't be hooves destroying creek lines etc.

ohh, ok i get it now, i must admit i do agree with that
Also, arn't gumleafs toxic? and very low in energy... good luck surviving off them, I don't think your body is equip to digest leaves.
i think they may be but they are still nice;)
 
PP cutting and pasting from that ridiculous website does nothing for your credence.
Goodness knows what you eat but wattle and gumleaves doesn't sound like a healthy diet to me.
You sound quite passionate but also misinformed.
By the way. not everything you read on the internet is true so maybe you
could check the information you have provided for actual facts.
 
PP cutting and pasting from that ridiculous website does nothing for your credence.
Dead right, considering the website is completely inaccurate in its quoting of so called "facts"

Anyway, how did a thread on some of the fantastic part of the country that we are privileged to see via Steve's travels degenerate into a poorly thought out argument over what is ok to eat vs what is not? Each to their own, but I remember in specialist training that we were so hungry that we couldn't care what it was, it was food whether it was meat, plant or "space filler"
 
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Anyway, how did a thread on some of the fantastic part of the country that we are privileged to see via Steve's travels degenerate into a poorly thought out argument over what is ok to eat vs what is not?

Welcome to APS my friend.
 
PP cutting and pasting from that ridiculous website does nothing for your credence.
Goodness knows what you eat but wattle and gumleaves doesn't sound like a healthy diet to me.
You sound quite passionate but also misinformed.
By the way. not everything you read on the internet is true so maybe you
could check the information you have provided for actual facts.

i generelly dont eat leaves, that was more when i was younger.
i mainly eat fruit theseday.

i know not everything on the net is true



i get updated on how our wildlife is every week by wildlife bytes,and alot of it is just so...
 
Your heart is in the right place PP but you need a bit more "real world" experience.

We had a mob up here that were advertising all over Europe to "SAVE THE BRUMBIES" and raking in millions to breed and release feral horses. At the same time that Rangers were culling by the hundreds to save fragile environments for the natives.

Unfortunately this seems to be the side of the fence you are sitting on. Out of ignorance I am sure, not malice.

Real conservation work is about hard yakka, blood and bullets. There is no fluff and loveliness involved at all.

Dont listen the urban jibberish of PETA and the like, they have saved nothing but money in the bank. If you really want to look after our wildlife I suggest you head out bush and get involved. Your hands will get dirty!
 
If you got any of that infomation off the Australian Society of Kangaroos you may want to check the actual full facts rather than the ones they "selected" out of a scientific paper or was written by some non peer reviewed journal, or written by someone from a bias view.... Just like the Australian Society of Kangaroos.

The fact is and it's backed up by 1000's if not 100 000's of the scientific and environmental community, is that eating, farming kangaroo and other natives animals such Croc and Emu does much more good than harm.

It's not a new idea either. It's quite old, it's just that time and again people like yourself can't see past the emotive and do a bit of thinking.

If you greenies actually got out in the wild and saw the sheer amount of certain species of macropods you might actually get an idea.
And if you saw how much land had been deteriorated by anything hoofed. Especially farmed animals, you may change your point of view.

What annoys me most is that people love taking the credit of luxuries of science. How many of you 100% trust their Iphones, computers traffics lights, sewage systems, security systems, planes, cars, trains, internet and everything else but still don't trust scientist with something that have studied a good part of their life on. And their idea and evidence is backed up by non profit, non bias, environmental science pro groups.
 
what about the croc numbers up the top end they going to have to start culling them soon hey.
 
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