DECC minimum enclosure size discussion.

[JasonL]

20% larger for lizards, 50% larger for snakes....

 

[TWENTY B]

sorry, yes 50% for snakes, which is a bit excessive.especially for arborial species

 

[Colin]

after speeking to some people "in the know" these enclosure sizes aren't that bad,
they are fairly reasonable..

I was impressed that they placed golden crowned snakes in with the large elapids like taipans, tigers and browns

 

[TWENTY B]

back on topic mate.

 

[Colin]

cm are for dressmakers.

probably a few of those in their ranks.

 

[TWENTY B]

lmfao,colin, i got your full length rant as an email notification.

 

[DDALDD]

20% larger for lizards, 50% larger for snakes....

50% larger for snakes is a considerable increase. Will require many a herp room to be rearranged when/if it becomes official.

Edit: Sorry, I just realised what the 50% was in reference to. I thought they were saying that current snake enclosure's need to be 50% larger than they are.

 

[JasonL]

Personally I don't think multiple snakes should be kept together anyway, so can't see the problem, though some breeding situations may cause a problem. Who here keeps more than 2 snakes together in four foot enclosures?

 

[-Peter]

lets get this straight
40000cm2 is 40 metres squared which is 40 metres by 40 metres or 40000cm by 40000cm not 40000 square cm which is 10 metres by 4 metres as opposed to 4000 square cm which is 2metres by 2metres.

 

[SammySnakes]

I think people should focus on just cm, not metres, rather than combining them in measurements as this has sent quite a bit of confusion for some people.

40000cm2 is 200cm x 200cm (otherwise known as 2mx2m). The reason for this is 200x200= 40000.

If you really wish to convert a cm2 figure to m2, take off four zeros. In other words, 40000cm2 also equals 4m2.

 

[Stranger]

Or everybody can just hush.. and wait for them . If they do.. put this into practice. I dont see a point sitting here arguing about who knows more. when really we all know bugger all. Npws changes there mind every minute.

 

[wokka]

I heard there may be a basic maths test as part of the new reptile lisencing, or was that a spelling test. lol

 

[Lozza]

I heard there may be a basic maths test as part of the new reptile lisencing, or was that a spelling test. lol

:lol:

 

[Colin]

lmfao,colin, i got your full length rant as an email notification.

OMG :lol: I plead the fifth and was only pasting an extract from someones email in a private message..
how it turned up in the post is a mystery


In relation to this DECC draft and from speaking to several people over the weekend, I really cant understand why this department wants to push for any compulsory minimum enclosure sizes.

Im all for guidelines and best practise suggestions. but really fail to see any benefit whatsoever in making minimum (which really isnt minimum but whose splitting hairs :roll enclosure standards compulsory law. If its wrong or needed attention after its brought in we have no chance in hell of ever getting these peculiar ideas changed..

By making them guidelines (at least for the present) it gives more time to find any thing thats not really workable and iron out the bugs before setting it in stone.

 

[pythonmum]

I heard there may be a basic maths test as part of the new reptile lisencing, or was that a spelling test. lol

My top secret info says that these will not be required for the Class 1 license, but will be mandatory before posting in this thread.

 

[TWENTY B]

gecko's or any hatchies = 500cm2 = 25 x 20
small skinks = 1000cm2 = 40 x 35
small elapid & python = 2000cm2 = 45 x 45
hatchie turtles = 3000cm2 = 60 x 51
large skinks, small dragons & monitors, colubrids, medium pythons, large elapid = 4000cm2 = 90 x 45
large dragons, medium monitors = 6000cm2 = 100 x 60
large pythons = 8000cm2 = 140 x 60
large monitors = 10,000 = 100 x 100
small turtles = 15,000 = 150 x 100
very large python's = 20,000 = 200 x 100
large turtles = 30,000 = 300 x 100
very large monitors = 40,000 = 200 x 200

i think those keeping turtles are up 5hit creek
( 50% extra for each additional animal after 2. and 50/50 land /water)

 

[Lozza]

gecko's or any hatchies = 500cm2 = 25 x 20

So what about gecko hatchies
Takeaway containers arent 500cm2, it would be rediculous for say Diplodactylus hatchies to be kept in something that size.

 

[TWENTY B]

doesn't say anything about them.
just says hatchies, any species, and gecko's.500

 

[girdheinz]

gecko's or any hatchies = 500cm2 = 25 x 20
small skinks = 1000cm2 = 40 x 35
small elapid & python = 2000cm2 = 45 x 45
hatchie turtles = 3000cm2 = 60 x 51
large skinks, small dragons & monitors, colubrids, medium pythons, large elapid = 4000cm2 = 90 x 45
large dragons, medium monitors = 6000cm2 = 100 x 60
large pythons = 8000cm2 = 140 x 60
large monitors = 10,000 = 100 x 100
small turtles = 15,000 = 150 x 100
very large python's = 20,000 = 200 x 100
large turtles = 30,000 = 300 x 100
very large monitors = 40,000 = 200 x 200

i think those keeping turtles are up 5hit creek
( 50% extra for each additional animal after 2. and 50/50 land /water)

Remember this document you refer to is a DRAFT and i have it on good authority that there have been significant changes made (particularly on turtles, pythons and hatchlings) and possibly more to come. These sizes come straight from the keeping books in many cases, so it is hard to ridicule DECC for their first (confidential attempt). Once the consultant group/s have finished having their input, the public will eventually have a chance to comment before this document is or isn't implemented. All herp socities are represented on the advisory groups, so why not attend and recieve updates from those actually in consultation with DECC.

Gird

 

[jacorin]

great,so the cnr entertainment unit i want to turn into a Stimpson unit,is now no good?????

its 64cm D
60 cm H
117 cm W(front)
36 cm W (rear)