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Fishing is cruel ??
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Doing that to a fish is totally unnecessary. Killing it and eating it is one thing but to consume a live animal is sadistic...
JasonL
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Sashimi Lobster (Crayfish) was only recently banned from being served at a local restaurant in my area, it's served up in a similar way to the fish in that vid.
shamous1
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Fishing Cruel
The only curel thing about fishing is when you go camping, drink a heap of grog, enjoying the moment and you nod off on the bank of the Murray, only to wake up an hour later to the sound of bells and your $200+ fishing set-up os being towed down the river by a monster carp. That's cruel.
The only curel thing about fishing is when you go camping, drink a heap of grog, enjoying the moment and you nod off on the bank of the Murray, only to wake up an hour later to the sound of bells and your $200+ fishing set-up os being towed down the river by a monster carp. That's cruel.
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I'm a fisherman have been all my life and over the last 5 years started spearfishing as well, it's a great sport and pastime.
I absolutely Love sashimi, but that is tad sadistic!
I was waiting for the fish to flick all that hot sauce over the bastards...lol:lol:
I absolutely Love sashimi, but that is tad sadistic!
I was waiting for the fish to flick all that hot sauce over the bastards...lol:lol:
Australis
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Go the spearing, only need to spear what you want to keep
far more selective compared to line fishing.
far more selective compared to line fishing.
moosenoose
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JJS: I moved to Brisbane, then realised what a big mistake it was
Ain't that the truth! I lived in that hot-house-State for 26yrs and had a gutful of it! Give me Melbourne any day!! :twisted:
I went to a trout farm yesterday after a failed outing on one of the Rivers in country Victoria ...(I wasn't coming home empty handed! :lol
and I must say, there are some things people need to know how to do when they go, or attempt, fishing. One of those examples, as like most things even in the snake-keeping hobby, is learning how to despatch an animal quickly and humanely.I noticed many novice fisher-people at this trout farm had no idea about how to give the fish a humane send-off. Rather they reefed the hook out of its mouth because they had no experience in removing hooks, and secondly just tossing the thing into a bucket to suffocate (or whatever happens to a fish out of water, which isn’t nice).
I can understand people find fishing cruel and somewhat barbaric, especially when this sort of thing is going on. Everything has the right to a painless ending when you’re talking about hunting or fishing. I don’t see the difference be it fish or land animal. Trout farms and the like should give people a basic run-down of what to do if you catch a fish. A simple rule is this: Put yourself in the animal’s shoes (flippers, hooves etc
) and see how you'd like to be treated if in the same position.This always comes up every few years and has done for as long as drop kicks have had a say. I'm a sports fisho to the core have been all my life. I mainly fly fish and i release all fish i catch i don't eat fish.
The petty arguements against sports fishing are hollow and have next to no support from anyone for so many reasons.
It's a huge industry particularly in Australia where it's our No.1 pastime. It's also a high revenue raiser with which the government (in NSW at least) has put into buying out destructive beach hauling and trawling licenses, as well as creating marine parks and closing entire estuaries to commercial fishing (like lake maquaire) it's also been put into stocking programs with speices ranging from murray cod to mulloway.
All man made inpoundments have been stocked with hatchery bred fish for sport fishing and it's been a huge success, to the point where the is a large amount of international tourist coming out just to fish our inland impoundments.
I could go on.
I won't say it's not cruel but there is sooooooooo much more wrong with the world than to waste time trying to ban something that will never be banned, not in Australia. The small amount of people who complain about it go home and eat fish, beef, lamb, chicken and don't think twice about some farming practices. Even the vegertarians go home and eat food from farm which create high fertilizer run off which kills waterways.
People should be foucusing their efforts on real problems we have becuase if you want to get into the nitty gritty of it all most people do just as much bad.
The petty arguements against sports fishing are hollow and have next to no support from anyone for so many reasons.
It's a huge industry particularly in Australia where it's our No.1 pastime. It's also a high revenue raiser with which the government (in NSW at least) has put into buying out destructive beach hauling and trawling licenses, as well as creating marine parks and closing entire estuaries to commercial fishing (like lake maquaire) it's also been put into stocking programs with speices ranging from murray cod to mulloway.
All man made inpoundments have been stocked with hatchery bred fish for sport fishing and it's been a huge success, to the point where the is a large amount of international tourist coming out just to fish our inland impoundments.
I could go on.
I won't say it's not cruel but there is sooooooooo much more wrong with the world than to waste time trying to ban something that will never be banned, not in Australia. The small amount of people who complain about it go home and eat fish, beef, lamb, chicken and don't think twice about some farming practices. Even the vegertarians go home and eat food from farm which create high fertilizer run off which kills waterways.
People should be foucusing their efforts on real problems we have becuase if you want to get into the nitty gritty of it all most people do just as much bad.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
*sigh*
The only fishing that is wrong is keeping protected or underweight fish.
*sigh*
The only fishing that is wrong is keeping protected or underweight fish.
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yer love fishing but never eat anything i catch even if that 50 cm flathead did look juicy, and tasty and plump
waruikazi
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That is the skinniest shark i've ever seen!
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The only reason is because its popular, otherwise they wouldnt have made specific exemptions to allow it. If catch and release fishing wasnt popular it would be banned already(not that i think it should be).
waruikazi
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i took her guuts out before pics where taken
What is it? A lemon? Big mother gummy?
rodentrancher
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We only ever fish for those that we want to eat, and only take what we need - like a couple here and there. What's the point in taking more than you need? Fish and yabbies and other shell fish eg crabs, prawns etc taste like yuck after they have been frozen and defrosted anyway! Cheers Cheryl
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it Was 7gilled shark ! not tasty at all...will never take any again...
grivai
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It would be a pleasant change for those that are so spitefully in favour of fishing to actually provide some constructive comments as to why it should be so. I have not read a convincing argument aside from the standard red-blooded 'it's the way its always been, it's my right as the living embodiment of all Australians to fish, drink till I'm blind then go home and watch porn since my wife won't put out' mentality....
Reading the same ill-informed, childish, patronising, condescending vitriol regarding 'greenies', 'tree-huggers' 'tofu-munchers' etc etc. which is largely based on creating some stupid argument based on an incorrect appeal to tradition, or an argument that is ad absurdum, is tiresome. The number of 'red herrings' I have just read as a result of people attacking the proponent of the argument, not their position - ie. ad hominen - is a disgrace.
This is an ethical question, not one that that is correctly supported by simply condoning traditional practices. There are dozens of examples of activities that used to be 'traditional' that are now laughable. For example, do all the angry fishermen who feel threatened by notions of restricting your extractive activities on the public commons agree with stoning women to death? They should, because it is still 'traditional' in Afghanistan and although I think not, ACTUALLY following this flawed line of reasoning leads to that conclusion. This example also highlights the ad absurdum nature of the argument people use when hey decide to start talking about all the animals killed in crop lands, the 'screaming' celery sticks etc. etc.
The social benefits of dropping a line I would agree with - spending a nice day on the water with friends / family etc. However, why does a fishing line have to be involved? People do just fine at the beach without them.
I also agree with the 'catch only what you will eat' notion. Despite the cruelty involved which cannot be denied by anyone with half a brain, if this were the way people obtained their seafood the oceans would still be teeming with life, like they were 'back in the day'. Sadly, most people that go fishing and land nothing will pick up something from the store that was caught via trawling, longlines or 5km long nets that have led to the relatively barren oceans we now have today...as well as an endangered species list longer than I care to think of, bycatch levels that would swamp this country etc etc.
The economic benefits are clear also, but as most people will realise as fish numbers drop theses margins shrink and as already mentioned people these days are extremely flexible and mobile - often changing 'careers' without too many issues at all. Look at the livestock farmers that are HAVING to do it, because decades of mismanaged resources have forced them to.
Where are the 'rights' of say, recreational SCUBA divers who may prefer more fish to be left in the sea, so they can enjoy what lies beneath the big blue? Marine protected areas are an excellent way to go, yet EVERY time a new one is propsed the same old voices try to oppose them - on principle - without even looking at the facts, context and rationale behind them. How much more of the planets resource base do they want to have plundered before waking up? Sure, one person does not make a great difference - but the impacts are cumulative and the world is bigger than just one persons backyard.
Perhaps a little thought in SOME peoples responses would lead to more constructive discussion.
Reading the same ill-informed, childish, patronising, condescending vitriol regarding 'greenies', 'tree-huggers' 'tofu-munchers' etc etc. which is largely based on creating some stupid argument based on an incorrect appeal to tradition, or an argument that is ad absurdum, is tiresome. The number of 'red herrings' I have just read as a result of people attacking the proponent of the argument, not their position - ie. ad hominen - is a disgrace.
This is an ethical question, not one that that is correctly supported by simply condoning traditional practices. There are dozens of examples of activities that used to be 'traditional' that are now laughable. For example, do all the angry fishermen who feel threatened by notions of restricting your extractive activities on the public commons agree with stoning women to death? They should, because it is still 'traditional' in Afghanistan and although I think not, ACTUALLY following this flawed line of reasoning leads to that conclusion. This example also highlights the ad absurdum nature of the argument people use when hey decide to start talking about all the animals killed in crop lands, the 'screaming' celery sticks etc. etc.
The social benefits of dropping a line I would agree with - spending a nice day on the water with friends / family etc. However, why does a fishing line have to be involved? People do just fine at the beach without them.
I also agree with the 'catch only what you will eat' notion. Despite the cruelty involved which cannot be denied by anyone with half a brain, if this were the way people obtained their seafood the oceans would still be teeming with life, like they were 'back in the day'. Sadly, most people that go fishing and land nothing will pick up something from the store that was caught via trawling, longlines or 5km long nets that have led to the relatively barren oceans we now have today...as well as an endangered species list longer than I care to think of, bycatch levels that would swamp this country etc etc.
The economic benefits are clear also, but as most people will realise as fish numbers drop theses margins shrink and as already mentioned people these days are extremely flexible and mobile - often changing 'careers' without too many issues at all. Look at the livestock farmers that are HAVING to do it, because decades of mismanaged resources have forced them to.
Where are the 'rights' of say, recreational SCUBA divers who may prefer more fish to be left in the sea, so they can enjoy what lies beneath the big blue? Marine protected areas are an excellent way to go, yet EVERY time a new one is propsed the same old voices try to oppose them - on principle - without even looking at the facts, context and rationale behind them. How much more of the planets resource base do they want to have plundered before waking up? Sure, one person does not make a great difference - but the impacts are cumulative and the world is bigger than just one persons backyard.
Perhaps a little thought in SOME peoples responses would lead to more constructive discussion.
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