Discussion in 'Australian Snakes' started by Jimi, May 22, 2010.
The Jag originated in Norway, no the UK or America.
i cant see a diffrence between owning a jag/rpm and owning a non native GTP... doesnt matter how many generations a captive bred biak gtp is,its still an exotic/illegal snake.
well i dont think they are veiwed as illeagle as they are legitimatly on licence....... regardless of them being obvious exotics
Ok, this is an interesting thread, check out the attached pic and classify these 4 into what you reckon they might be......reduced pattern......
normal......reduced pattern modified (jag???).
I will say that at least one of these were hatched using a new and slightly radical incubation method.....
Ok Nev, I'm game!
Pic 1: Typical "RPM"
Pic 2: SXR RPM
Pic 3: Stunning RP Jungle
Pic 4: Classic "Devil" Striped Jungle
How'd I do?
P1 RP JUNGEL
P2 RP COASTAL
P3 RP JUNGEL
P4 DEVIL JUNGEL
it amazes me to read some of this.do people really think the jags are going to be seized there is no reason to believe it hasn't popped up in Australia like it did in Germany the jags in Australia could be native so why would they seize these animals when they do nothing about the Greentree pythons being sold as their overseas locales everyone just accepts these animals now they also do nothing about all the exotics in Australia how many on this site happily own corn snakes and I know there are a lot these animals pose a greater risk than jags ever will
nev ill tell you what theyre not............ not mine care to rectify that lol
As a keeper and owner of RPMs here is my opinion on some points raised in this thread and where I stand in this matter......
Does it really matter what they are called, at the end of the day they are Morelia spilota that contain a co-dominant genetic that enhances their visual appearance. Call them what you want, but at the end of the day they are just a co-dom carpet.
I have never seen any signs of neuro disorders amongst any RPMs that I have been involved with.
After a conversation with Parks 3 or 4 years ago regarding purchasing exotic GTPs, I asked for clarification whether parks had the authority to confiscate non-native GTPs. The answer I received was,
"If you buy unknown origin Morelia viridis from another Licensed keeper, fill in all appropriate import/export permits and both the seller and buyer hold the appropriate license for that species you have nothing to be concerned about, as far as we are concerned as long as they are not wild caught and are captive bred in Australia and are on license correctly we have no reason to look further into the matter." To me this set the precedent (at least with my local authority) for all animals that may or may not have a clouded history.
Having clarified that with parks, in the upcoming years when the opportunity to legitametly purchase my co-dom carpets which were bred and sold legitametly by SXR I jumped at the opportunity to be one of the first to be able to work with these carpets. Yes I have copped flak from some people and yes I have received heaps of support from others. At the end of the day my collection was bred, bought and sold with all animals appropriately licensed and all import/export permits aquired and filed.
Further to this I have bred my co-dom Morelia spilotas and have traded them with other keepers in NSW, VIC, QLD and SA with all keepers holding the appropriate licenses and permits filled and filed. All buyers were given the full history of how I aquired my breeders and were happy to be buying multi-generation legitametly bred and sold in AUS co-dom carpets.
Im sure some people will still have a problem with this, but at the end of the day my collection and any offspring are a native Morelia spilota that has been captive bred in Aus and sold legitametly. We cant do much more than that........
Yeah, not bad, but I'm interested in knowing what the benchmark is for a RP anything....
everything has a price.....
have a look at the thread RP ARGUMENT, Roger laid it out pretty clear.
NORWAY. Not America, not the UK, not Germany, not Australia but NORWAY.
Yes, I did read the post from Roger. What I was mainly getting at is the recent bit of referring to snakes as reduced pattern. To call something reduced pattern there had to be a benchmark of "normal" so the benchmark a "normal" banded or a "normal" stripe jungle.....
Who knows mate, how long is a chinese river? I think the argument starts with trying to bench mark anything, it can't really be done. At the end of the day it is far too subjective an argument to really be quantifyable. Personally, animals with a fair amount of dorsal striping and coupled with distinct saddles, I call RP. More in reference to a "style" of patterning as opposed to some sort of hard and fast rule. Take Zobo's animals, I'd call those striped as it is fairly obvious. The last photo you posted has a style of pattern that I personally equate to your better specimens, hence "Devil" Jungle. Without measurable genetic traits, I don't think any absolute definition can be achieved. If I were to say, "Have a look at this RP Proserpine", no-one comes out with calipers and imaging software to calculate the different levels and quantities of colour/base, etc.., they just expect to see an animal that has a certain pattern style. That's my opinion at least.
I call this animal "RP" though I am sure many would disagree. This is a Faustino Proserpine and a fine example imo. Don't know if it is 50/50 or part banded but I really don't care. It has a style of pattern that I think most people think of when they think RP. Could be wrong though.
This one is a Brett Zaccar bred, mostly Tully Jungle. I call it RP, as again, he has a style of pattern that makes me think RP. Still subjective, can't really be bothered to measure the percentages of pattern to base colour.
Adam they are great looking animals, I love the proserpine.
ill just say, with out causing a stir, those are very nice looking snakes
You're right, that would be funny if it were true I'm sure some do, but not all. Not quite as funny in that case.
You have to agree with snake whisperer, its way to a grey area.
Anything with that bare back look (saddles down sides) that does not contain co-dom genetics should be considered a "RP". To what level of RP depends on the opinion of the on-looker.
Anything that has the bare back look that is created due to co-dom genetics should be considered an "RPM"/"JAG"/"CO-DOM CARPET".
Anything that has a continuous or close to continuous dorsal stripe should be considered "striped".
If it doesnt obviously fit into these descriptions then it is more than likely "standard".
Id like to see a RPM/jag clutch...