John Howard new laws

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  1. Tetras

    Tetras Active Member

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    Hey everyone.
    What do you all think about John Howards new laws to do with the aboriginal remote communities in NT?

    Do u think that he is sincer about helping or is he just trying to get on the good side of the people for the up coming election?

    Do you think that there is an underlying racism about this? or is it just for the benefit of the people of australia regardless of nationality?


    ----Please Note---- This thread is not designed to inspite racism or be a racist thread. I do not encourage racism, merely express your views on the situation.

    I will be on in the morning again. Respect to those who are still awake. Night. :)
     
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    snakes4me2 Very Well-Known Member

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    Ahh the stolen generation starts again.
    I think they need to ban alcohol in some white communities too
     
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    dansfish4tea Well-Known Member

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    spot on id say

    I dnt like that john howard, if i expess how i feel bout him ill get banned for life:lol:
     
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    da_donkey Very Well-Known Member

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    i say go in gung ho, you cant get any worse then 5yo girls with STI's.

    These people walk around town with petrol cans straped to there faces like theres nothing wrong with it.

    These people have major problems, there not gonna fix themselves.

    donk
     
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    dansfish4tea Well-Known Member

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    thats rite but the problem hasbeen there for a long time and
    now sudenly hes gunna fix it?
    the timing seems to be jst rite
     
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    the timing is wrong with elections et, but something needs to be done. I work in law enforcement and you would not believe the stories my fellow remote officers tell me about the communities and what goes on there. Unless you have lived/worked there it is a bit hard to comment really.
    jas
     
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    I cant wait til its time for someone else to get up and take (inserted nasty words here ) over his position he is a complete BUTT and it's time that he stands down....
     
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    I say about time. Not sure how banning porn and booze will do it unless its banned and policed well. Recently read a story, I'll try and edit this so its not too graphic, but lets just say a guy from one of these communities was pushing his grandmother down the street in her wheelchair, and said to her that he feels like, um, well, you know, so pulled her out of her chair, did it there and then on the side of the road, put her back in the chair and kept pushing her home. His GRANDMOTHER I say. I'm just speechless.
     
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    PremierPythons Very Well-Known Member

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    It's typical Liberal Party populism/electioneering at its best. It's got the sound of a 'Children Overboard' with the sinister undertones of a 'Stolen Generation' about it.. It's time these clowns are voted out
     
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    First up let me say I don't like John Howard (its a gun ban thing) BUT I can't believe you people who think this is a stunt. Currently in the NT court system is a case of 4-5 men and 4 kids that were drunk and stoned and they pack raped a 14 year old boy 7 times. This happened down south with a white girl and a pack of lebanese guys and there was an uproar! But this is barely even news worthy. Women are bashed, kids are molested by drunken men who spend all their money on booze and drugs so their familys don't eat or have to eat crap. The PM wants to, rightly, put a stop to it and some of you along with old Mal Fraiser and his band of half cast winging aborigional wannabe politicans try to misdirect the plan as a stunt to grab land! At least the PM doing something and not burying his head in the sand like the NT government.

    Mal Fraiser said that there was no consultation with the elders.....news flash...the elders have no control and have been doing NOTHING! Any poor kid or woman in a community that gets sexually assulted is ostracised by that same community AND right under the noses of the "Elders"

    snakes4me2 said "Ahh the stolen generation starts again" Give me a break. Come up here and have a look at these communities. Kids with STD's, malnutrition, you know a few decades ago aborigional kids whose parents worked on stations went to school and at these schools they had showers, cleaned their teeth with a tooth brush that was kept there for them and had at least one good meal. This however was seen as condesending by the do gooders and now they get bugger all. They arn't even made to go to school. My kids go to a school here in Darwin where some community kids attend and every morning the red cross puts on breakfast for them. To some of them this is their only good meal and this is a community in a city!

    A lot of kids (and adults) can't speak english. If they were imigrants everybody would be saying that they should speak english before they come into the country! go figure! Then we get told its a national disgrace that their health care is up to crap while drunken men beat up community nurses and drive them away. Or that there are no jobs, really??? could it be because they live in VERY remote areas with no industry, or that they have no education because they just don't go to school???

    Someone mentioned petrol sniffing. There is a non sniffable fuel called Opel. Some communities WANTED this fuel and said if they got a bowser installed they would look after their kids better ie. bathing, eating better etc. This wasn't good enough for the do gooders down south and the program was nearly scraped. And this is what some communities wanted!

    My wife worked in NT housing in Katherine a few years ago and she had a aborigional bloke and his 3 year old son come in applying for a house. This bloke had just moved to Katherine from a community. The wife said she's never seen a more beautiful and healthy look kid. His eyes were bright and clear not the yellow of most of the aborigional kids in Katherine. The father said that he moved into town to get away from the drinking and so his kids could get an education and so they would not be intimidated by white people. He said he will not let his kids eat crap only bush tucker, which is why his boy was so healthy. This bloke has my respect and admiration and you people who think someone trying to put a stop to the disgrace of child molesting is just buying votes have my utter contempt.

    So yes go in there and ban grog/porn, its about bloody time. And don't give me the line about banning grog in white communities until you've seen the effect it has on the women and children in these aborigional communities.

    Whew.....I'll hop of the soapbox now....
     
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    I'm inclined to agree wif earthling on this one..
    How dare he take that money of them in the first place.. and now that there is an election coming.. wants to give it back.. isnt that a bit two-faced.??
    And not to mention how he has done nothing about the climate crisis.. and now that there is an election is sooo interested in fixing it.. he should have been interested long b4 it got this bad....
     
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    How can giving them more money fix anything. It hasn't in the past. And these so called men commiting these acts aren't the typical pedophiles. They are just drunk and stoned board blokes. It may not work but at least the PM has made a decision which is more than anybody else had done.
     
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    Hey everyone thanks for posting your thoughts.

    This is a very positive thing to happen but its not really just a coincidence that its just before and election.
    sure the comunities will be policed and all that but i dont think that it will really change much after the election. people will just forget like all the other times this has happened.

    I think (not sure) that he has brang in a law which their welfare is governed by theeir children goin to skool??
     
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    Yeah what a fool. He could have just blamed everyone else, wrapped it up tight in red tape and got set for retirement.
     
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    Pollies can't do anything until the people are ready to accept it. You'll notice that labor didn't come up with a policy to do anything about it until the libs did, then they agreed with the plan.
    I'm not saying it's an ideal answer but something needs to be done. Got a better answer Earthling? Oh that's right, your answer was to throw $400 million at them and hope it goes away.
    The Answer IMO is to get rid of this government sanctioned racism that diferentiates between Australian aborigines and everyone else. Apply the laws we have.
     
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    Don't worry folks, John Howard is a smart man, he won't let you down :D (geeez I'm a stirrer 8))
     
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    Well I can't say that I think that the timing is the best for the government to bring this up which does make some people question the motives behind it, but I think that bad timing or not, its great that at least its in the spot light for being as big a problem as it is. No matter who put an idea of a solution forward, it's never going to suit everyone, but at least now that its been thrown into the spot light then hopefully some thing can be done to try to address the HUGE problems that these women and children face on a daily basis. Some how the cycle that these communities seem to be stuck in needs to be broken.
     
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    something definately needs to be done. no doubt about that at all. it will take many years and alot of hard work. i'm not much of a howard fan BUT at least he is making an attempt to try and fix things. these ways may not work but by seeing the reactions of the people they should work out new things to try. it will just have to be a trial and error thing i guess. it can't be left in the 'too hard box' though especially when there are kids suffering sooo much.
     
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    It's a hard job but someones gotta do it (at least make a start) and perhaps some of the unlightened people who have never spent any time at all amongst indigenous people (I have)
    may become aware of the conditions some children/people live in
    It's heartbreaking and almost unbeleivable how some human beings exist (us white fellas are ok in our clean comfortable airconditioned homes)
    I don't care for ol Johhny either but he's doing something positive and if at least one person can have a better life for his doing SO BE IT Think positively people please
    Sandee :)
     
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