Man fined $10,000 for killing 'iconic' croc

Discussion in 'General Reptile Discussion' started by alichamp, Feb 16, 2018.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Flaviemys purvisi

    Flaviemys purvisi Very Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2017
    Messages:
    1,906
    Likes Received:
    1,261
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    QLD
    There were never 25 million aboriginals with croc farms in Australia. That is not a valid comparison.
     
  2. cris

    cris Almost Legendary

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2006
    Messages:
    7,994
    Likes Received:
    203
    Location:
    Brisbane

    It is possible for them to be taken and the licence voided as it is arguably not a legal use of a firearm, it is the type of thing they may need a lawyer for. There have been a few cases recently in eastern states where people have used guns for lawful selfdefence and ended up in legal trouble as the firearm is was used out of the capacity it is permited to be used.
     
    pinefamily and Scutellatus like this.
  3. Flaviemys purvisi

    Flaviemys purvisi Very Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2017
    Messages:
    1,906
    Likes Received:
    1,261
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    QLD
    I honestly can't see that happening, over this incident.
     
  4. Scutellatus

    Scutellatus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2017
    Messages:
    916
    Likes Received:
    1,107
    Gender:
    Male
    It doesn't matter how many there were or how many we are now. People have no thought of what they are doing to the land and with a little planning and preparation these type of things can be avoided.
    The croc was here before the shooter and the station owner. In reality it is his land and if someone wants to build a cattle station on it then they should work around it. Fences work wonders for keeping cattle where people want them. Fence the river and make fenced drinking stations. Problem solved.
     
  5. Foozil

    Foozil Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2017
    Messages:
    718
    Likes Received:
    524
    Gender:
    Male
    Any reasons why what Scutellatus said couldn't be done? Just a fence...
     
  6. Flaviemys purvisi

    Flaviemys purvisi Very Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2017
    Messages:
    1,906
    Likes Received:
    1,261
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    QLD
    Just a fence isn't just a fence when it comes to a cattle property... The more fences there are the more work and more dramas. You confine cattle to feed in a particular area then they constantly have to be moved and then there's the muster. Bikes, quads, horses, choppers... you don't want to be effing about with fences and gates... cattle are very easily spooked and the way they move is by following the leader. Short of working on a station or feedlot first hand and being experienced in cattle husbandry, you just wouldn't understand fully. There's cattle stations you can drive on for 2 days and not see a fence.
     
  7. cris

    cris Almost Legendary

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2006
    Messages:
    7,994
    Likes Received:
    203
    Location:
    Brisbane
    Billions of dollars, not cost effective and would make more problems than it would fix.
     
  8. Scutellatus

    Scutellatus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2017
    Messages:
    916
    Likes Received:
    1,107
    Gender:
    Male
    Based on that statement I could be convicted of any number of crimes because there is no evidence to say I didn't commit them.

    C'mon Kev instead of taking everything as YOU see it, which it seems you do, maybe broaden your mindset away from your killing fields work life.
    I eat meat by the way so please don't misconstrue my statement.

    This guy could have easily reported the loss of livestock to the department, let them deal with it and a grand old man would still be alive, even if it took a little longer than a bullet and cost them more in losses.

    The station owner would be richer than five of us put together and can't absorb some losses? The sad reality of some of the human race.
     
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2018
  9. Flaviemys purvisi

    Flaviemys purvisi Very Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2017
    Messages:
    1,906
    Likes Received:
    1,261
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    QLD
    Shoulda coulda woulda... means nothing. He took the CHEAPEST option available simple. 10c bullet, even with the fine it's still cheaper.
     
  10. cris

    cris Almost Legendary

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2006
    Messages:
    7,994
    Likes Received:
    203
    Location:
    Brisbane
    Copper and lead was here before the croc. Some farmers and the government do some really bad stuff, but killing one pest croc is not a significant issue. The real problem is the failure in developing good wildife policies...
     
  11. Scutellatus

    Scutellatus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2017
    Messages:
    916
    Likes Received:
    1,107
    Gender:
    Male
    Billions to run a fence for thirteen kilometres? I think not.
    I am talking a fence along a river not across their property. A fence that wouldn't have gates unless they need to cross the river for muster, so what if someone has to go ahead and open gates, that's what jack/jillaroos are for.
     
    Foozil likes this.
  12. cris

    cris Almost Legendary

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2006
    Messages:
    7,994
    Likes Received:
    203
    Location:
    Brisbane
    Well you would have to fence all water ways in the croc distribution, it would actually cost trillions of dollars if it was even possible. The massive negative ecological impact would be beyond what most people could grasp. Not to mention problems like rain and flooding.
     
    Flaviemys purvisi likes this.
  13. Flaviemys purvisi

    Flaviemys purvisi Very Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2017
    Messages:
    1,906
    Likes Received:
    1,261
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    QLD
    Cattle also graze through fences because the grass is always greener... this causes ear tags to get caught and expensive RFID's to be torn out... nope...sorry but won't work. Without RFID tags cattle can't be legally slaughtered. Massive cost to the producer.
     
  14. Scutellatus

    Scutellatus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2017
    Messages:
    916
    Likes Received:
    1,107
    Gender:
    Male
    I've spent some time on a sheep station out at Winton and can assure you they have fences. The value of the livestock dictates that you need boundary fences or you lose animals.

    I am leaving it at that before this thread gets shut down like the others have.
     
    Foozil likes this.
  15. Foozil

    Foozil Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2017
    Messages:
    718
    Likes Received:
    524
    Gender:
    Male
    I second that, I spend lots of time of cattle and sheep farmer's properties. Fences as far as the eye can see.
     
    Scutellatus likes this.
  16. Flaviemys purvisi

    Flaviemys purvisi Very Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2017
    Messages:
    1,906
    Likes Received:
    1,261
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    QLD
    Boundary fences are the bare minimum required. Anything other than that is a nuisance and unnecessary hassle. Not all stations have boundary fences, many are bordered by natural features/barriers like rivers, escarpments, etc.
     
  17. pinefamily

    pinefamily Subscriber Subscriber

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2013
    Messages:
    2,847
    Likes Received:
    1,980
    Location:
    Mid North SA
    The reason we are having this debate is we are over populated for our resources, and cattle stations have expanded into new areas to help feed our population. That, and the greed of cattle station owners wanting to make mega dollars exporting the beef to China.
    While it does look bad, the shooting of the crocodile is something that rightly or wrongly occurs in the country on a semi-regular basis. Having said that, the man caught does need to be charged under the law. Ignore the law, and we become a third world country.
     
    Foozil, dragonlover1, hector and 4 others like this.
  18. Pauls_Pythons

    Pauls_Pythons Power Seller Power Seller

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2012
    Messages:
    1,983
    Likes Received:
    2,400
    Location:
    Melbourne
    The guy got prosecuted and rightly so.
    No matter what anyone says in his defence the animal was protected by LAW and for a change the law stood up and actually did something to send a message.
    Like the rules or not, they are the rules and the rules (law) is what separates us from the dark ages, end of story.
     
  19. Flaviemys purvisi

    Flaviemys purvisi Very Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2017
    Messages:
    1,906
    Likes Received:
    1,261
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    QLD
    And as the old saying goes, there's always exceptions to the "rules." The rogue croc is gone now, end of story.
     
  20. pinefamily

    pinefamily Subscriber Subscriber

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2013
    Messages:
    2,847
    Likes Received:
    1,980
    Location:
    Mid North SA
    Based on your logic, Kev, I could shoot your dog if I found it on my property. It might have, was planning to, attack my chickens.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page