Monitors, adult size, weight, temperement chart..

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  1. TWENTY B

    TWENTY B Very Well-Known Member

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    After having ackies for a little while as my 1st monitor like most people do,
    now i've decided i'd like something a bit larger eventually leading up to lacies or perenties.
    So, I'd like a little help on deciding and i'm sure alot of other people would be interested in also knowing
    This would make a great future refrence, If this works well i'll start one for pythons as well

    What would the average adult size (svl & total), weight and temperement of these monnitors be.?
    How easy are they to obtain on the lecenced reptile market?
    Any other relevant info would be great..

    Pics would be much appreciated,
    I will update the information table as the relevant info comes up.

    Monitors - CLASS 1
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]G2263 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus acanthurus [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Spiney-tailed Monitor
    Q2268 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus gilleni [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Pygmy Mulga Monitor
    G2271 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus gouldii [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Sand Monitor
    M2282 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus tristis [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Black-Headed Monitor [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Monitors - CLASS 2
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]K2733 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus baritji [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Black-spotted Spiny-tailed Monitor
    Y2264 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus brevicauda [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Short-tailed Pygmy Monitor
    K2265 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus caudolineatus [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Stripe-tailed Monitor
    Z2267 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus giganteus [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Perentie
    Y2272 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus indicus [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Mangrove Monitor
    Q2284 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus kingorum [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Long-tailed Rock Monitor
    K2273 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus mertensi [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Mertens’ Water Monitor
    M2274 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus mitchelli [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Mitchell's Water Monitor
    S2285 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus panoptes [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Yellow-spotted Monitor
    Q2276 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus primordius [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Northern Ridge-tailed Monitor
    W2287 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus rosenbergi [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Heath Monitor
    W2279 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus spenceri [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Spencer's Monitor
    Y2280 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus storri [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Storr’s Monitor
    K2281 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus timorensis [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Spotted Tree Monitor
    Z2283 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus varius [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Lace Monitor
    S2269 Varanus glauerti Kimberley Rock Monitor
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    TWENTY B Very Well-Known Member

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    These are my 2 little devils,

    G2263 Varanus acanthurus Spiney-tailed Monitor (ridge tail monitor)
    Name, Stumpy & Digga
    Age, 10 months
    Sex, unknown
    Total length, aprox 35cm
    Feeding on, dusted crickets and woodies every 2-3 days
    Temperement, not great hadlers but never bitten, never had a real fight between them
     

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    cris Almost Legendary

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    These links will help.
    http://www.amonline.net.au/herpetology/research/pdf/varanidae.pdf
    http://www.mampam.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=13&Itemid=76


    Here is the number of keepers for each species in NSW for 2006-7 there are a few others outside of NSW too.
    Varanus acanthurus Spiny-tailed Monitor 103
    Varanus baritji Black-spotted Spiny-tailed Monitor 2
    Varanus brevicauda Short-tailed Pygmy Monitor 7
    Varanus caudolineatus Stripe-tailed Monitor 1
    Varanus giganteus Perentie 8
    Varanus gilleni Pygmy Mulga Monitor 55
    Varanus gouldii Sand Monitor 49
    Varanus indicus Mangrove Monitor 3
    Varanus kingorum Long-tailed Rock Moniotor 3
    Varanus mertensi Mertens’ Water Monitor 17
    Varanus mitchelli Mitchell's Water Monitor 8
    Varanus panoptes Yellow-spotted Monitor 5
    Varanus primordius Northern Ridge-tailed Monitor 3
    Varanus rosenbergi Heath Monitor 6
    Varanus spenceri Spencer's Monitor 22
    Varanus storri Storr’s Monitor 27
    Varanus timorensis Spotted Tree Monitor 18
    Varanus tristis Black-headed Monitor 34
    Varanus varius Lace Monitor 83

    As far as temperment goes V.gilleni and spencers seem to be typically reluctant to bite but still dont like to be handled. Laceys have a reputation for biting but there would be exceptions. I have found V.panoptes to be somewhere between the 2. I havnt really had any experience with anything else yet. No species should ever be purchased as a cuddling or handling pet and you need to remember the big ones can cause real damage if you arnt careful.
     
  4. FAY

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    I have varanus primordius....he is a cutie!
    Has heaps of character, hates being touched....freaks out.
    He is a great little hunter and smashes those crickets....
    Didn't realise there was only 3 in NSW.
    Had a girl, but she died. He seems quite old.
    Can't really measure and weigh him...as I said he freaks out.
     
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    TWENTY B Very Well-Known Member

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    Something a little uncommon you have there. What would you estimate his length at? Any chance of a photo?
     
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    HOW accurate do you think that list is ? doesnt seem like many people keep monitors . now i realise why it can be so hard to get certain animals if nobody even keeps them. lacies are up there but considering the room they take up . thought there might of been alot more smaller animals . can someone put the numbers up for python keepers .please ..
     
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    Ramsayi Very Well-Known Member APS Veteran

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    The list isn't accurate at all, they never have been over the years.
     
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    cris Almost Legendary

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    The list is the number of keepers taken from the NSW wildlife returns, here is the whole thing
     

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    Here is the little guy! Freaked out just taking a pic.
    He is pretty old...I would say.
     

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    i love monitors if i got one i would like a bell's phase, the second i saw one i was in love :D
     
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    I agree whole heartedly.
    Kept a pair of Mertens many years ago now..was a little careless handling the male to clean enclosure..I was left with a welt from his tail that made me look like I'd been whipped.
     
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    TWENTY B Very Well-Known Member

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    1st update, in order of size
    any aditional info or corrections please let me know

    Monitors - CLASS 1

    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Q2268 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus gilleni [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Pygmy Mulga Monitor [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]-max svl 186mm, total 460mm[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]G2263 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus acanthurus [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Spiney-tailed Monitor[/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]-max svl 237mm, total 630mm[/FONT][/FONT]
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    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]M2282 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus tristis [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Black-Headed Monitor [/FONT][/FONT]
    -max svl 280, total 750mm
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]G2271 [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus gouldii [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Sand Monitor [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]-max svl 425mm[/FONT]
    [/FONT]

    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Monitors - CLASS 2[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Q2284 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus kingorum [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Long-tailed Rock Monitor [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]-max svl 70mm[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Y2264 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus brevicauda [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Short-tailed Pygmy Monitor [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]-max svl 118mm, total 230mm[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Q2276 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus primordius [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Northern Ridge-tailed Monitor [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]-max svl 119mm, total 260mm weight 33g[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]K2265 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus caudolineatus [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Stripe-tailed Monitor [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]-max svl 132mm, total 320mm[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Y2280 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus storri [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Storr’s Monitor [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]-max svl , total 440mm[/FONT]
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]K2733 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus baritji [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Black-spotted Spiny-tailed Monitor [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]-max svl 200mm,[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]S2269 Varanus glauerti Kimberley Rock Monitor [/FONT]
    -max svl 246mm, total 790mm[/FONT]
    [/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Y2272 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus indicus [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Mangrove Monitor [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]M2274 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus mitchelli [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Mitchell's Water Monitor [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]-max svl 356mm, total 680mm[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]K2281 [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus timorensis [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Spotted Tree Monitor [/FONT][/FONT]
    [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]K2273 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus mertensi [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Mertens’ Water Monitor [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]-max svl 475mm, total 1130mm[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]W2287 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus rosenbergi [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Heath Monitor [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]-max svl 489mm[/FONT]
    [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]S2285 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus panoptes [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Yellow-spotted Monitor [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]-max svl 670mm [/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]W2279 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus spenceri [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Spencer's Monitor [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Z2283 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus varius [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Lace Monitor [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]-max svl 750mm, total 1920mm, weight 14kg[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Z2267 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Varanus giganteus [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Perentie [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]-max svl 880mm, total1960mm, weight 17kg[/FONT]
    [/FONT]
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    Jason Very Well-Known Member

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    monitors are great full of personality. imo just get a lacey if thats what you want. Laceys were my first and only monitor i have kept. amazing animals.
     
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    I agree with what you are saying but getting a lacey first is a big step, if fully aware of what they are getting into i wouldnt discourage someone from getting one as a first goanna, but they are probably of the most dangerous reptiles you can keep in Australia. There was a member of this site bitten recently because they obviously had no idea what they where doing (but seemed to think otherwise).
     
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    I just got my first spencers and must say she is beautiful and very enquisitive.
     
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    i do agree with cris in away,laceys curiosity and their no-fear for humans they develop can make them dangerouse!"when feeding"since their should be no reason to piss off your lacey..my lacey is my 3rd monitor,my first was a nile(not a freindly monitor as beautiful as she was) when i was residning in southern africa and my 3rd was a sand monitor here wich i found worse to hanlde and get used to,obviously his bite wont be as bad as a lacey..but just be careful,know your monitors well and dont let the lacey bite you.. i recon more information should be put out about lace monitors and their keeping habits,since they are one of the most dangerouse lizards in australia,but they can also be one of the tamest(NOT THE RIGHT WORD BUT YEAH),handable and easy to approach iv observed,"IF KEPT PROPERLY AND ENOUGH TIME IS SPENT WITH THEM"...haha im lace monitor reppin here! but ow well sum has to since they got such a bad reputaion as kept monitors.. n e way
    peace out to all tha monitor lovers..Varanus RULE!!!!
     
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    I would agree, Spencers are a good choice for a start in larger monitors. Relatively calm, easy to look after, not too demanding, not too large. I have seen the odd oversized one but generally speaking they aren't that big and heavy. Not to bitey (unless they think your hand is food) even the tail whip is not as determined as a lacey on calmer individuals.

    Maree
     
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    the more I read...the more I want one!!!

    Do some people put them in bird avieries (the larger species)?
     
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    shame spencer are class 2,
    how would they compare in size to a gouldii
     
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    Same here.. I keep hearing about spencers.. And I know someone who has a female thats possibly gravid :lol: Maybe one day...

     
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