Nsw Licence System Update News

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  1. GBWhite

    GBWhite Well-Known Member

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    Hi Jamie,

    I've been told that it if it does go through that it looks like the import/export permits and the mixed heritage restrictions bs for GTP will also be scrapped.

    Have a good one,

    George.
     
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    Great thanks George.

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    Okay guys, some new info on the licencing:
    • Because the separate animal-related organisations can't agree on anything, the new licencing system which was due to be unveiled in August this year has now been pushed back to March 2018.
    • There will be loads of off-licence animals - the only ones that will be on licence will be venomous, potentially dangerous (e.g. scrub python, large monitors) critically endangered or specialist care.
    • Some animals formerly on R2 such as Roughies or certain geckoes will be off-licence.
    • Critically endangered or specialist care species incude some on the R2 and above list.
     
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    That sounds ridiculous! There shouldn't be any off license reptiles. It just encourages taking from the wild.
     
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    Well, thats how its going to be... :(
     
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    But it's everyone's duty to our herps on this forum to try and educate as many people as we can about taking animals from the wild...
     
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    I wonder if having off licence animals will encourage people to just let there pet go once the novelty where's of.


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    Absolutely, if their movements don't need to be recorded anything will be possible. Not that it's policed very well now IMO, but it's something at least to deter people from doing the wrong thing.

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    Well guys, there's still hope... like I said, the separate animal related organizations can't agree on anything, so maybe by March next year the idea will be different. This is just what's happening now.
     
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    Do I get a refund for the years my R2 licence is paid in advance? Just joking.
     
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    you're 100% correct there Darren, it seems the RSPCA is run by the greens these days
     
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    haha yeah, the girl who did my upgrade "accidentally" charged my credit card for 5 years instead of 2 years when I got my R2
     
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    From what I hear there's plenty of reptiles being taken from the wild for whatever reason as it.

    Not sure about Olives, Scrubbies and large monitors. From what I was told it was put forward to have them classed as dangerous by the AHS and the proposal was basically shot down by the bloke from Services NSW.

    Like I said in my previous post it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

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    Well, I get that Perenties and Scrubbies probably shouldn't be kept by beginners, but even though Olives can be sketchy with their feed responses, why are they still on R1 now??? But I don't think its a bad move taking Roughies off licence... who's going to go and catch one out of the wild? Sure, they have big teeth, but that wasn't the motive for placing them on R2 in the first place, and they were rare in captivity about a decade ago.
     
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    sounds like the bloke from Services NSW is the only boofocrat with half a brain,good on him !
     
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    Okay, looks like more info has FINALLY come out: http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/licences-and-permits/wildlife-licences/wildlife-licensing-reforms
    Same as what seemed to be happening a few months ago.
    • Low risk activities (non-dangerous/non-threatened) - these become exempt species from licencing.
    • Medium risk activities - enforceable code of practice (how do they enforce it???)
    • High risk activities (dangerous/threatened) - on licence
    Benefits of this approach:
    • Reduces administrative and legal requirements for people keeping commonly kept and easy to care for species
    • Greater focus on education (don't really want to see reptiles become the next "classroom hamster" though, seeing how often they're mistreated in the US)
    Basically a new Biodiversity Conservation Act has come out, replacing the old one that was decades old and out of touch. It includes in it the new guidelines for licencing, though the current system will be kept in place till sometime next year, when they will start "progressively implementing" the new system. And about the old licences, they said this:

    "When the Biodiversity Conservation Act 2016 commences on 25 August 2017, existing wildlife licences granted under the Threatened Species Conservation Act 1995 or National Parks and Wildlife Act 1974 will remain valid until they expire or are due for renewal.

    If changes to existing licence classes are implemented during 2018, Office of Environment and Heritage will notify relevant holders of existing licences beforehand if they:

    • are exempt from holding a licence and no longer need a licence, or
    • no longer need a licence but must comply with an enforceable code of practice"
    And it says on the website - if you have a current licence, you will be given a new "biodiversity conservation licence" under the new act and of the "relevant licencing class".
    Basically lots of things are changing, but a lot of it is "yet to be decided" and therefore quite vague. More info will apparently come soon.
     
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    I don’t like the sound of taking animals off licences at all.

    Yes it says there going to enforce a code of practice but they struggle doing that now let alone if no one has licences?


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    Other states seem to do fairly okay with their exempts... it's just that what NSW is doing is beyond anything like before. It's literally having more exempt species than any other state has ever had.
     
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    There are similar changes coming in SA next year too.
     
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    I honestly think with the virus’ going around they should be making it tougher not easier
    I keep and breed coastals. What’s going to stop every person from getting random species and mixing them making mutts with no morphs?



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