NSW shops gets the go ahead

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  1. Jlaw0786

    Jlaw0786 Not so new Member

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    In my opinion there are to many cons that out weigh the pros, sure having reptiles sold in pet shops will get more people interested and promote the hobby but it will also promote more neglect to these innocent creatures. For example I was at my mates house not to long ago and his younger brother had purchased a baby blue tongue by getting his mate who had a licence to buy it for him. he was keeping it in a small tub not much bigger than the bluey itself with a old sock for "warmth" under his bed in the dark. So I told him that lizards can't produce there own body heat and that he needs a source of heat or it will not survive i also told him a few other crucial details in order to keep him, so of coarse he agreed to get what he needed and that was that. About a month later I went over there again and sure enough the lizard had died because he simply couldn't be bothered to get what was needed. The amount of times this sort of abuse and neglect will happen now will sky rocket. yeah, sure in most cases this wont happen and the reptile will get the love and care they need. But just because a pet shop owner may quickly educate the buyer on what is required to care for the reptile doesn't actually mean the reptile is going to be looked after!!!
     
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    Dont try and talk reason and rational and especially dont offer up existing systems as evidence . We need irrational reactionary response only thankyou.
     
  3. Jungletrans

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    It is very simple , vote with your wallet . Spend money in the good shops , avoid the bad ones . They will change or go out of business . There are good and bad shops , breeders and keepers .
     
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    You know what I wanna I know. One rule in nsw is that if we buy an animal. We have to keep it for a minimum of 6 months before you can sell that animal. How are pet I shops gonna deal with that? Or is that gonna go out the door with these new rules...

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    all this talk of impulse reptile buying and animals dieing from neglect is ok,lets not forget though that it happens across ALL animal species,and will continue to happen,no good crying about it.if everyone got up in arms about it,no one would own a dog or cat or bird or horse or fish
     
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    Might be the death of Expos......I guess we will have to wait and see.....
     
  7. Snowman

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    Sometimes. And sometimes not.
    It's like fish... Some people get right into it others see it, want it and get bored.
    I've seen plenty of people buy reptiles from breeders on impulse and get bored too. There's always people selling snakes on gumtree like this.
     
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    I did hear someplace when this was being debated some months ago that the average Pet Shop would have difficulty in just buying in herps and selling them under what was being proposed.

    The way I understood it, they had to be licensed (not sure if the same type as us as keepers, or if it is a new license for sellers), had to have herp experience, and had to have demonstrated skills and knowledge in herps. The way it was described to me was that it was to allow the guys who are selling today to be able to do it legally (ie - those larger breeders that are as god as 'commercial') whilst making it difficult for the average pet shop to just by in reptiles to sell. Aparently the aim was to allow 'specialist' herp pet shops to be established (probably similar to some of those mentioned in other States).

    Not sure how well it will work or even if this is still the intent. It was how it was described to me. I guess we won't know until the fine details are laid out and released.
     
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    Might have an opposite effect if Vic expo is anything to go by... the shops have stalls in the expos yearly which is where the sponsorship money comes from for the expos.
     
  10. Snowman

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    Hahaha. Yeah more scaremongering is needed for sure!
    I bet if they let pet stores sell then they will start to pass off corns as bredli!!!
     
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    Corns as bredlis :shock: I always thought they were an Antaresia morph.
     
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    Having worked in the pet industry, specifically with reptile porducts, I can tell you there are a lot of great shops that are owned by reptile keepers. It's amazing how many people are quick to crucify them before it even comes in. The approval is here, but there is still a lot more to be done yet and may be a little while before you actually see a reptile in a shop. There are still caging requirements and species lists to be released yet, let alone any shop policies/procedures. There is also an annual licensing fee that shops must pay as well.
    Keep in mind there is always the 'bad' version in any industry and it is always easy to criticise a bad one. I have heard all the stories and seen quite a few myself, but lets give credit to those that do the right thing, as this is the majority, not the minority.

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    well if you think it will kill off expos,just take a look at bird sales(just from my background breeding birds) just because shops sell birds hasnt diminished bird sales one bit,i'd say they are better and bigger.... not saying all bird breeders do the right thing by their birds either,they are cheaper than buying from a shop.

    EG. budgies...shop($25(baby) to $35/40........ bird sale( $5 to 20) sometimes more........ shops are so much more expensive to buy from,they they can and do,market themselves out of sales. same will happen with reps,because shops have to make so much profit on things to make it worth their time
     
  14. borntobnude

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    I think it could go either way here , as stated earlier in the thread there are some pet store owners that are breeders of quality animals and i am sure they won't sell their rubbish through the shops or have inadequate housing for them .
    i do think that maybe the shops in large centers would not be the best place for the animals to be , just a thought .
     
  15. solar 17

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    What about Victorian Expos ???????
     
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    I don't think it would be the end of expos at all.
     
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    You also have to realise that shops are purchasing from the breeders and not necessarily at a huge discount, so for them to cover their expenses in maintaining and keeping the animal, they naturally have to have a larger price tag.

    Also, their target market is not a person that has several reptiles, it is the first time keeper that has little to no experience. So they buy their first snake, hopefully get the right advice, have the ability to purchase all the products to maintain the animal in captive conditions and walk away happy. If there interest grows, they may find themselves at places like this and/or reptile shows and purchase thier 2nd animal there, hopefully with a bit more experience under their belt.

    Daz
     
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    Lol its a good thing folks.. you all think that people who have the smarts to put small business together in the pet industry wouldnt be smart enough to look after a snake and play by the rules?? This gives exposure to the industry to help it grow, gives you breeders a chance to open a store front and do the right things and sell some animals..

    Ive seen some disgusting backyard breeders.. I would think that shops would have to run a much tighter ship than backyard breeders?
     
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    i hope its true it will be awesome
     
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    maybe true hugsta,but when i've sold my birds to a petshop they paid $6 for a baby budgie :O then want you to pay $25-30 for it...... not much of a mark up there i can see
     
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