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saintanger

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hmmm,

good in one way bad in another. the reptiles r the ones that will suffer. locale breeders should have been allowed to advertise at pet shops and even have their own stock on display and buyers get their numbers off shop keepers. i will dreed the day i walk in and see a dead reptile in a tank, or lizards with heat rocks and no UV. but there are some great reptile specialist shops like the one at liverpool and narellan who should be able to sell.

i recko they should only allow reptile shops to sell reptiles not petshops, who have no interest or passion or experienced staff.

though over the past few years i have taken in 19 unwanted reptiles, ranging from bearded dragons, blue tonges, geckos, turtles and many pythons. with pet shops selling to impulse buys there will be alot more free to good home reptiles and reptiles dumped.

but at least wen stuck up people realise reptiles are legal to own as they walk past a pet shop, drivers by will stop calling the cops saying there is a lady handling a massive snake on her front lawn, or some guy is feeding a snake on his front lawn.
 

geckoman1985

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Wow interesting I would like to see my local pet shop sell them I think it would be good for the hobby. I use to help out at store ing Gladstone for 5years befor move ing down to nsw. And thought the people up there on care and stuff I have dearly missed it. I was good friends with the people and thay helped me out as well. Those of you that think it a bad ideas need to think about the positives that come from this not only do breeders have a bigger market but all so can have a say on what goes on in the shops. If ever my local pet shop is intrested in selling them I will be offering my knowledge and help as I simply love doing it wether there be cash paid or voulintering. As far as the expos go up in Gladstone the local pet shop was the main sponser for the event.
 

smileysnake

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i can think of 1 great reptile supply shop in western sydney that have been waiting for this for a while family owned and run and will appreciate this opportunity and will treat it with the respect and care that it deserves i think these people are 1 of the most deserving of this in the whole of western sydney and cant wait to see how their business picks up from this....good luck guys i think most would know who im talking about....
 

dr_juggalo

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Lets just hope that it is a much more controlled license, that requires spot checks a education, not just go online get a license and done
 

Woma_Wild

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I'm in NSW but not sure I like the idea as I'm against pets been sold in pet stores. Unless it's a reptile ONLY shop which probably wont be the case.
You have no idea where the animal comes, from, who the breeder is, any diseases, long term ailments, etc.
It may also encourage back yard breeders to over breed these poor animals as we've seen with cats and dogs.
The decision has been made so nothing can be done but once again, some animals will suffer because of this.
And who will go around collecting all the reptiles let loose by idiots that no longer want their animals......
 

zulu

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Woma Wild > And who will go around collecting all the reptiles let loose by idiots that no longer want their animals......

Peter > hes here hes there hes everywhere !
 

Wing_Nut

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Its been interesting reading over the posts in this thread. There is obviously a lot of passion and feeling about this in the community. At the end of the day almost all the above scenarios can and do happen in private circumstances, but because pet stores do there business in the public forum, what they do is easily seen and easily criticised. Whenever something is bought and sold, inevitably institutions crop up to make commercial gain from it. Whenever money is involved, you will often see compromise between what is best for the animals, and what is commercially viable.

Having said that, the care required to maintain many reptiles is really very simple. The biggest thing I have found with any animal shop is it is very difficult to manage stress, and this really is the primary cause for many sick animals in shops. Reptiles are particularly susceptible to stress, and its really very difficult to keep stress levels down and also keep the animals on display so that potential customers can see them. Running a commercial operation and a adequate quarantine practice is virtually impossible and this can make the problem a lot worse.

The unfortunate reality of maintaining any sort of pet shop is there will always be a level of mortality and this is impossible to avoid. Keeping display stock to a minimum and having breeder contacts who can bring animals in for arranged transfers is one way this can be minimised, however often customers are very picky about colourations etc and it can really test the patience of the breeders. Other ways I have found stress can be minimised is rotating animals from display to a quiet non-display areas. Furthermore, training of staff is paramount and organisation of training days with suitably qualified people for staff without experience, or employment of people with experience goes a long way to helping manage the animals while they are kept at the stores.

There will always be unscrupulous people out to make a dollar. Regardless of regulation or otherwise, this will always happen. The best way I found to ensure a steady stream of customers through the door is by word of mouth. As a positive way to ensure shops that do the right thing and offer healthy animals and good advice is to recommend stores that do this. Support the shops who do the right thing. Shops learn that to survive they need to up there game. The same goes for breeders, support the stores who keep your animals healthy and listen to your advice and recommendations.

Kind Regards

Wing_Nut
 
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solar 17

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The government better build another RSPCA facility to house unwanted reptiles.....this is post #78 in this thread ....well if thats the case where are the RSPCA extra facilities required in QLD,NT,SA and VIC. as they all have Reptiles in petshops solar 17
 

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So how do you know dr_juggalo didn't impulse buy..?? Not saying he did by any means, but what your saying contradicts yourself. Because Jo Bloggs goes to a Bills Pet Shop, gets his licence and buys a reptile, he's impulse buying, but our mate here went to the reptile show and did exactly the same thing, but that's ok..?? I would rather see it made much harder for everyone to buy a cat as the destruction they cause on our native wildlife, they would kill more animals in a year then any possible reptile owner.

The profit margins made by pet shops will vary, it may seem like a large profit margin from a budgie worth $6 up to $25+, but how much time and effort is involved in selling it, it probably costs them more money to keep the thing, but they make the $$ on the accessories when they sell a cage, feed etc etc. It's not like they would buy a snake for $600 and sell it for $2500. The margin is all relevant to cost. I am sure some pet shops will be dearer, but it is probably matched with service in most circumstances.

Fay, there enough reptiles being handed in as it is, probably not going to make that much difference IMO. Being in pet shops also gives people a place to take it back to if they decide they no longer want it and I am sure there will plenty of breeders willing to put their hand up for free animals.

Daz

the only thing I see wrong with your argument is that impulse buy reps wont be "handed in",they will be dumped or just ignored and left to starve
 
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-Peter

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So we'll be seeing a lot of stimmis sold as macs or childreni then.

Oh, and it now appears that it is totally acceptable to sell your reptiles in a McDonald's carpark. Thanks for that clarification Robyn.
 

happynagini

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I would never buy a dog or cat from a pet shop, i think it supports a few wrong things. I would also never buy a snake from a pet shop.. would prefer to go to a breeder so i can see parents and see what environment the reptile is coming from
 

GeckoJosh

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So we'll be seeing a lot of stimmis sold as macs or childreni then.

Oh, and it now appears that it is totally acceptable to sell your reptiles in a McDonald's carpark. Thanks for that clarification Robyn.

What is wrong with meeting people at McDonalds?
They are always easy for the buyers to find, and I get to eat a Sundae while I am waiting :p
I suppose I should let every random person come to my home? oh wait then I will be blacklisted for not following quarantine protocols!
 

Varanoidea

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Those are some pretty strict restrictions. I am pleased. Pet shops have to provide evidence of their knowledge in keeping reptiles. There will still obviously be problems, of course.
 

bigjoediver

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The cost of a license to sell reptiles commercially in SA is quite expensive as is the power bill at the end of the month that's why not a lot of general pet shops here sell herps. My local reptile shop (Reptile City ) is well patronized by the local herp community and seems to do well, on the other hand a now out of business pet shop in the local mega mall who tried selling reptiles didn't go too well. There will be teething problems and some animals who unfortunately suffer but market forces will prevail and only the good shops will survive.
 

saintanger

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at least they have care sheets and it is a restricted list. i'm shocked they did not include stimmi'e, eastern beardies and eastern water dragons.
 
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