Possible Jag?

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  1. Yellowtail

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    I don't get many big carpets at my place mostly smaller than 1.5m and I have wondered if it's because of the cane toads, maybe they die as soon as they are big enough to eat them but there are small cane toads too. I relocate them away from my aviaries and rodents and they don't seem to come back.
     
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    That's one of things I miss about breeding rodents the surprise visitors. BTS carpets spotteds. The last spotted got chewed to death by my rats though. Had a lot of return visits to.
     
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    I should know that lol my sister in law just told me who you are ☺
     
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    Sorry if you disagree but the jag gene is worse than an anti vacc parent

    And you’re right about people’s opinion to “cull” them, and there’s a reason for it, they are a mistake to the carpet python world and should be gotten rid of ASAP if it’s showing signs of neuro , I’m not the first or last you will hear that

    Also not sure where @Neil j heard that it doesn’t get worse or better.. it definitely gets worse over age where it could start with a head bobble while young to the same as in that vid where it’s all over the place. It’d be quite hard to raise a snake that can’t even look in the direction of its food when striking and would need some assistance


    But to each their own, just know there’s no cure and it’s quite distressing to see it in person and you will think twice about them needing homes

    It’s almost similar to cats having cerebellar hypodisplasia although cats learn to control it they still flop all over the place

    https://buttongeckos.weebly.com/blog/carpet-python-jaguar-gene

    A good read

    @LilithLeChat the decision should be made once it starts affecting the snakes life, when it has difficulty eating can’t climb properly etc
     
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    Part where you tag me.
    I didn’t hear that blaze it is from my own experience (hands on experience from actually owning jags) they can get better and they can get worse. Depending on how they are looked after. But the fact is they all have it and it’s always there they just don’t show it.
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    And at no point will a jag not feed or climb properly
     
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    Not being rude, but you must have some funny Jags, they’re quite well known for “spasming” and losing the contraction down their body which can cause them to essentially let go and fall off

    You will find they strike at the food a lot, like a drunk person throwing punches
     
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    So do the sibs it’s a coastal thing
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    I’ve had roughies and a gtp which fell more. Jags are fine when left to their own. I only have one and it is het ax and 75% jungle.

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    Lets keep fingers crossed on the part jungle. It may help keep neuro issues to a minimim
     
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    I read a paper from a breeder who stated that he & various of his breeder acquaintances found a definite link between using chemical cleaning products & JAG Neuro.
    http://www.acreptiles.com/main/inde...ptoms&format=pdf&option=com_content&Itemid=68
    I don't know how fully accurate it is but it's worth noting perhaps just to stay away from chemical cleaners just as a precaution in general if you have a suspected a JAG.
    It can't hurt & might potentially save a life ;)
     
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    @Yellowtail and @Neil j

    Sprite's first ever fuzzy is defrosting currently and we are hoping she takes that tonight.

    I have a question for you both though, would you give her two feeds a week of fuzzies while she gets the hang of them or two fuzzies a feed? Cheers Ironrose.
     
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    Ideally one large fuzzy a week is good, if Sprite takes 2 or more at a sitting you probably should upsize.
     
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    Thanks, I will do ☺
     
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    I’d chuck it onto hoppers once a week, will take 2days max to digest at the right basking temps

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    If you’re worried about it being too big, check this out, it’s about 10x the size of his head (from that angle) but head on and it’s an easy fit
     
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    I just took some photos and put them on a new thread "Mouse sizes for hatchlings"
     
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