So I have no idea, and neither did the vet.

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  1. Beans

    Beans New Member

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    So I have a Pygmy stimsons python. Hes an adult he is kept in a little tub and is on paper towels.

    His temps are fine has a cool end and a hot end. He always has water. He eats like a beast, he poops totally fine and drinks water fine. His sheds come out perfect and he has never refused a meal in his life. He has no mites, no fungus nothing. His bloods and fecals from the vet both came back totally normal.

    But he has this one issue, and no amount of researching is yielding any results. It hasn't gotten worse and it hasn't gotten better. It's the same before and after a shed. He sheds in one piece.

    And i have absolutely zero idea what the hell this even is and I'm at my wits end honestly.


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    That bit right behind his head, the white part. Is totally missing scales, he has a few small patches like that but mostly it's scale shrinkage.
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    I have another snake aswell, she is in a different room and she looks totally fine.
     
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    I have seen this once, a few months ago on my male md who needed assistance shedding. His scales where damaged during the shedding processes and that was similar to what occurred
    But he came good with 2 unassisted sheds where all I did was mist him daily



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    That’s weird!

    Just wondering if u went to a reptile specialist or a normal vet?

    @Sdaji seems to always have experience on stuff ;)


    In my opinion, it looks like a shed gone wrong? Do you have his last shed or did it just randomly appear
     
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    You had him from a hatchie or he came to you like this?
    Im going to take a guess that you picked him up as an adult and he came to you with this damege. To me it looks like an old burn, would have been quite severe when the injury was sustained and while a very deep burn will heal the scales never go back to being perfect.
     
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    I got him as a youngster and it started slowly appearing after about 2 months. Its not a burn cause theres nothing to burn himself on. Its also not from shedding because it doesnt change after a shed. He's had this for for a year now
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    And yeah i went to a reptile vet
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    It took probably a year to get like this, then it stopped progressing altogether. I've had him for about 3 years
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    Also going to add that this is not bothering him at all. It's like its not even there.
     
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    new morph! (jokes)
    Have u asked other reptile vets like Joshua llinas from herpvet on facebook?

    Did the person you get him from provide you the history of the animal (sheds, feeds, etc)
     
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    It's a congenital condition, I'm a bit surprised to see it turn up in this line (assuming it's the regular line of pygmy Stimson's we usually see kicking around), but I've seen it in other Antaresia. I haven't known it to cause any harm. Yours looks like a pretty extreme case, usually they don't have as much area affected, at least in the ones I've seen. If you have pictures of it as a hatchling and as it grew and the 'burned' patches started to appear I'd love to see them to compare to the other ones I've seen.
     
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    This was about a week or so after I got him https://i.imgur.com/3iJJt9I.png upload_2018-10-9_15-53-48.png

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    it appeared slowly. a few patches here and there untill it got to this point
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    What should I search for in google? Cause nothing has come up. Also if he was a person I'd say this starts at his shoulders and goes down to just below his hips
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    Did give me a shedding and feed history and it was as you would expect for a young snake.
     
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    Sdaji Almost Legendary

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    I've never read anything about them, I just know what I've experienced first hand and what I've heard from the two other people I know who have worked with them. I've spoken to a few others who have mentioned something similar, which I assume is the same thing.

    Interested to see pictures of the trait starting to develop, if you have them.
     
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    @Sdajj I'm assuming that theres nothing I can do about it and its not going to kill him. If its genetic which I always thought it was because hes totally fine otherwise.
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    I dont have them I was just keeping an eye on it as it got worse sorry :(
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    this lines up with the guesstimate of when it started. Its the only one I have but you can start to see where it's going to show up which is where alot of the scales are starting look small and you can see his actual skin between the scales.
     
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    Yes, I assume it won't kill him. I haven't actually followed any individuals into old age, so I'm not entirely sure. The oldest I know of... he hatched in 2006, so I suppose he is coming up to 12 years of age now. He doesn't have anywhere near as much affected area as yours though. I've seen a few with about the same amount but haven't known what ended up happening to them.
     
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    I guess time will tell. Haha
     
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    How bizarre,I've never heard of or seen such a thing.
    So this doesn't affect all PBP's obviously, which would be a worry for me as I own a pair about 3YO.
    We also have a few other Ants so hopefully this condition never happens .
     
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    No, it certainly doesn't affect all of them. This is the first time I've heard of it in them. In all cases I know if it has shown up in a consistent timeframe, when they're still very young. Of the thousands of Ants I've seen, only a very few have been like this. To be honest, since it doesn't hurt the snake, I think it's actually pretty cool!
     
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    Yeah it's really weird and not a common occurrence so I wouldn't worry about your ants getting it.
     
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    Makes your baby extra unique
     
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    It does indeed! Hes funny lookin but I still love him :D
     
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