Staffy kills tiger snake in Bannockburn as kids squeal with fear

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  1. matt86

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    I think we need to give dogs a break in general.

    Seriously, how many dogs DO get put down because some smart ****d little kid stands at a fence, hitting it in the face with a stick, and it finally snaps and gives him a chomp? Is that the dog's 'fault?' I would say no!

    All animals react based on triggers... Some react 'positively,' and we would call them a good dog. Other's react 'negatively' and we class them as dangerous or put them down.

    Don't get me wrong, my heart really does go out to families who have had a dog attack on one of their children... I just think we need to step back and admit that sometimes, it really isn't the dog's fault.

    I cringe when I see some of my fellow herpers try to 'defend' their stance on snakes. They get on a forum, or a news article, and proceed to tell everyone in society off, and make stupid statements like 'that dog should be put down.' Guys... SERIOUSLY, you're doing way more harm than good. We should be trying to bridge the gap between herpers and non-herpers, not widen it!!!
     
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    i couldnt agree more
     
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    My stance is not the fact that the dog killed the snake, its that groups like RSPCA will defend the rights of all other animals except reptiles. I have no issue with rural areas having to kill snakes in buildings, as there is no snake catcher around, I do have an issue with people killing snakes because they are snakes...until the attitude of people towards reptiles changes they will continue to get killed....groups like RSPCA have an obligation to educate the public about the fact that all animals have equal rights....this same staffie would have been labeled differently if it had been a cat or person that entered the open door!

    The other aspect would be, what if the dog was bitten by the snake, vet bills, possible death, then snakes get a nasty write up. People can, and do train their dogs to alert you to a threat not attack it, we have done this with our dogs, and helped several dog trainers in reptile aversion, this way our pets leave reptiles alone....again....education, not just about snakes, but also education about training the pets we already have!
     
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    me too!!
     
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    That's what I also find amusing!

    The other amusing thing is how precious the DSE is about the keeping of reptiles, yet couldn't give a yelp about someone bashing an animals head in on Youtube! OMG if you miss a return by a week or so you risk being strung up by the testicles and repeatedly belted with a bread-board! The RSPCA are he greatest toothless tigers when it comes to stuff like this! If it isn't furry or cuddly you might as well slit your own throats!
     
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    I wonder how well it would go down if you belt someone staffy to death with a shovel because you felt threatened by it.
     
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    You'd be up the creek and labelled a potential serial killer ;)
     
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    I wonder if the roles were reversed and the snake killed the dog, if people would want the snake put down? nature is nature
     
  9. moosenoose

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    :lol: I see you Snakehandler! :lol:

    Here's my next beauty! (Excuse the regular relocations b/s. I don't relocate too many animals at all ;).....not yet anyways!)

     
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    thats very true, if you kill small animals as a child also you will grow up to be a serial killer, but only if the small animals are fluffy, snakes don't count if you kill them you will grow up as a hero:lol:

    if it was the snake killing the dog, I would just say, oh well, maybe they should have left the door shut:lol: I am biased!
     
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    So true... this is from an article on news.com.au just today

    "Professor Paul Wilson, a criminologist and forensic psychologist at Bond University, said the torturing, maiming and killing of animals were red flags of someone capable of future violence against people.
     
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    Dont worry.....snakes dont count....they are reptiles...not animals!!!!
     
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    My dog will leave all reptiles alone except for maybe a little sniff but not everybody has the time to train or the money to pay for training with there dogs.

    I do how ever agree with you on the fact theat that the RSPCA seems to view reptiles differently to other animals.

    Im not trying to provoke an argument or anything i just think its absolutely discusting that people are call for the dog to be put down.

    Nick
     
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    I most definately agree with Matt's statement here. It truly does "more damage than good" regarding having the dog put down. We really have to be smarter in our approach.
     
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    agreed
     
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    Great point... and the sad thing for snakes (and this tiger snake in particular) is that people have the option to simply walk away from a snake. A vicious dog can't be walked away from. People choose NOT to walk away from a snake.

    I think the real issue here has nothing to do with the Staffy, or the fact that it killed the snake - the real issue is the way the media over-hypes stories like this, and manipulates fact to get a rise out of the public.

    One day, I am sure, we'll live in a world where reptiles are such a major and constant presence in the pet industry that the fear factor slowly subsides. It won't happen in our lifetime... To be blunt, we need our parents, grandparents, children, and children's children to die before these misconceptions can die out with them, and gradually things will change. In the meantime, we need to do our best to be responsible ambassadors.
     
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    1. TEACH KidS...... but remeber kids should no wild snakes r not for touching at all...... 2. all animals and reptiles even humans sometimes cant be fully trusted and run on purely instinct.... (dogs dont usally like snakes what should have it done... hide) 3. KNOWLEDGE WORKS! and stuff the media.... cause they rairly get there facts right... bad outcome and publicitly for snakes....
     
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    i agree with everything you have said except the bad press. its terrible press the dog is being praised for "saving" its family from an agressive, dangerous snake. ime tigers are actually fairly docile as a general rule. never mind that the media has painted it as if the snake was going to attack the kids all it was doing was crossing the back yard.
     
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    Yay for the dog:rolleyes:
    Better ring Geelong Advertiser and tell them of the brave dogs and cats that protect us from those mean and nasty blueys, birds etc.
    If my dogs did I would stop them firstly because it is bad for the poor snake, and second, what if the dog copped a hit! Antivenom aint cheap.

    Edit: Looks like snakehandler has the issue well covered. (long thread have not read it all like I usually do).
    Hey, anyone write a letter to the papers editor?
     
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    Hahaha.

    Although the dog probably wasn't protecting them, it just found a new toy to play with. Either way, it's an animal too.

    The fact is. The snake could have and probably would have killed their child. The dog did save their lives.

    To the people that think a snake that was going to kill humans has more right to live than a pet dog; you're seriously screwed up. The dog's a pet, if my dog was put down it'd be like losing a family member. It's pathetic to demand it's destruction, it's disgusting.

    I honestly didn't think there were so many heartless, disgusting people on this website. But then again, I guess you're just proving the stereotypes of reptile keepers being heartless, satan-worshipping, monsters. Thanks for that guys, you're really helping the hobby out.
     
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