WARNING For People Lending Snakes As Breeding Loans

Discussion in 'Australian Snakes' started by Elite_Reptiles, Oct 5, 2011.

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  1. noved

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    seeing as how they are immediate family call there mum
     
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    That's such a sad story I so feel for you guys, hope you get a quick painless result in your favour,

    All the very best

    Brett
     
  3. Colin

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    wayne and leanne.. why doesnt the family member (I know who it is) have the guts to go back in the house and get the snakes out for you.. if the police come and arrest him for breaking an AVO so be it.. its the right thing to do I reckon and its the least he could do to try to sort it out for you guys under the circumstances.. call him and put it on him.
     
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    Have'nt read every thread so sorry if this has been said. What would the AVO be approved for. "Whoever" is going to have a hard time getting that. Secondly, if you've handed your reps over willingly, the theft issue is a no go. It will probably fall back on you for not providing license details and recording them. Best thing you could do, I'll leave it up to your imagination. I hope it all works out for you.
     
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    Hope it all works out wayne and leanne for you guys. I hope he has a change of heart.
     
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    noved, I am the said person's Mum.....:(

    Ryan, thanks so much for your support, he has just sent us a message saying "go **** yourselves" ...:(

    Colin, we are the ones that have been threatened with charges and an AVO if we go down there, and the person has not go a conscience or guts for that matter...
     
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  7. Thanks for all your support guys. I only put this thread up to protect others from making the same mistake, and I'm shocked to see how many others have been burnt
    and won't lend animals out etc.

    What is the world coming too when your own family even turns on you?

    Thanks Colin, guts? that doesn't exist mate with the said person, his scared of her and doesn't want to rock the boat (so to speak) not even for the safety or well-being
    of not only his own animals but ours also.

    I'm not even sure that I want the snakes back now, as I just found out he has wild caught carpets that are not on the books. I would not take the risk in even quarantining
    them. Sounds like a sad loss on our end, but I hope others learn from this.

    Thanks again everyone for the support and suggestions... even the one's with muscle bound do or die antics lol.
     
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    i know he is family but what about name and shame it works wonders on this site?

    its against the rules - moderator
     
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    I would love too, but he is a member on here and I don't want to get an infraction...:(
     
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    That is f$@ked , pm me the address and a few photos , I reckon a few mates would be keen on knocking on the door , they wouldn't know who we are so they would open the door for us to force our way in and get them back , if you go and watch a movie or have lunch some where you won't be able to get the blame . It's not the legal way but pricks like that deserve it . I hope you get them back .

    I had a house mate that disappeared to his new girl friends house for 2 months , when he came to get his stuff we said not till you pay your owed rent , so he came back with the police and they made us let him in for his stuff . If you tell the police your snakes are there and they won't let you in they should escort you into the house .
    Good luck
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    what he said.

    go in to the police station and make sure you make a claim - police officers are lazy (*disclaimer, not ALL, just most)... they want to get rid of you as quickly as possible... it just means more paperwork for them, and they dont get paid anymore or any less if you do make a claim.

    bypass the guy at the desk, make sure you speak to the head person in charge.

    i work in a law firm, and we recently had a case where one of our clients accidentally paid one of his employees, then that employee got fired. they then realised the overpayment, and he told them to get stuffed, he wasnt getting it back.

    after being told to get lost by the police officer and try and work it out themselves, our client filed a complaint with the head officer in charge at the time, once we had evidence of that claim, we sent the former employee a letter of demand, saying there would be legal action if he didnt return the money.
    he **** himself and has made a payment plan to pay it back....
     
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    If its your son, just go get him. He have an older brother? I would certainly smack my kid brother around the head, hard, probably more than once, if he treated my mother like that
     
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    I feel so sorry for what you are both experiencing. There is nothing right about this situation and it is made even more offensive because of the relationship with these people and how generous you were to lend them the animals.

    You probably need legal advice if want to go to court to recover your belongings from somebody who is illegally holding them, and the police have not been able to help you to retrieve them. Contact legal aid for some advice or your lawyer.

    If someone is illegally holding your property, you should contact the police. If the police agree it is a criminal matter they will retrieve your property (Done but no luck there).

    Otherwise;

    You can take steps yourself to retrieve it as long as you do not commit any offence by doing so e.g. trespass, breaking and entering, damage to property, assault. Even if it is not recognised as a criminal matter, you can ask the police to come with you. They attend to make sure that a breach of the peace does not occur but cannot intervene to get your property back.

    If this is not successful, you would need to go to court to get an order to return your property. Contact your local district court to find out what form/s you need to submit (file) to start proceedings (most are available to download electronically).

    Once a court order has been has been issued for the return of your property you can involve the Bailiffs office to service the order issued by the court. Being reptiles you will need to arrange to be there to assist in the retrieval of your animals.

    I wish you all the best getting the situation sorted out quickly and that your animals are healthy and soon back with you where they belong.

     
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    Not a good situation - I feel for you guys.

    It's certainly sad you've lost your animals, but even worse that you've lost your relationship with your son..

    Hope this all resolves itself somehow eventually.
     
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    I know this whole story too and all people involved...
    I explain it to the person who talked to me about this as follows...(this is just an example and never realy happened)

    This is the exact cercumstances as if my father asked me to look after his dogs as he was going away for a couple of weeks..
    I say yes no worries as these are his PETS and his living companions
    Now in these weeks me and my wife break up and i am asked to leave the premises.
    My dad come back from his trip and comes for his PETS
    And my wife sayd NO you cant have your animals back..

    It is just wrons mate

    And not only that, where this story differes is that you were doing them the favor
     
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    If the police wont help what about something like a current affair they always like an animal cruelty story really shame them into giving them back
     
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    ring the police and ask them to meet you at the address as they have property of yours they will not return and you intend to get it back, dont tell them its snakes but take paperwork with you

    tell the sod to get an AVO out on you, yes it can be done where no threats of violence have been made, when it fronts up to the courts contest it then take civil action against them for their return or the monetary value of the property

    stand outside with a large sign informing everyone they have stolen property inside their house and refuse to return it, so long as your NOT on their property i doubt anything will happen. use a loud speaker to tell their neighbours they have SNAKES on their property

    got a local paper? send a letter to the editor mentioning them by name and how they stole your property

    camp at their front door and when the cops turn up to remove you show them the paperwork and tell them they have your stolen property and you want it returned

    jump up and down on one foot if you have to but make a lot of noise, also might pay to speak to a Detective instead of a general duties cop
     
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    All i can say is that this is the rudest, stupidest, and the most darn right disrespectful situation i have read about on here!
    What makes it worse is that the authorities that are supposed to fix these situations are doing bugger all about it.
    I feel for you and your wife as well as your animals that are possibly not being looked after now.
    I hope that something positive comes out of this in the way of you being paid money to compensate your loss or you getting your animals back.
    Even if you need to quarantine them or keep them at a different residence in case of contamination to your collection i would still want them back as a matter of principal!!!
    They were lent to this person and are still rightfully yours so you should get them back any way you can.
    Please keep us updated about this situation and it's progression (hopefully it does progress) and thank you so much for putting the warning out there for others. Sometimes family don't live up to what is expected of them :(
     
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    Spewing.
     
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