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  1. Oscar's

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    HMMM. we have known about this for quite a while, and I'm going to bring up a subject which will "kick the wasp nest" so to speak.
    Our population now suffers from major allergies, numerous child illnesses that we never used to have such as ADD, obesity, brain issues etc.
    Anti-biotics, the wonder drug..... is becoming useless because new strains of bacteria are becoming immune to it.

    I'll put it out there......... Diet. And vaccination, and pharmaceutical prescription drugs. Big pharmaceutical have our medical industry by the throat. And big Farmer has our food stores by the throat too.

    Kids never used to be allergic to peanuts. Schools never used to have blanket bans on peanut related food. They also didn't use to or need to have special classes for
    autism affected kids, but they do now. So what is going on??

    I'll get flamed, but the answers ARE out there if anyone is prepared to dig. The sad thing is, we believe our doctors and our govt. Well, most of us do.

    Thoughts??
     
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    Partly the sterile environment everyone wants to live in these days. Kids never allowed to get a bit of **** on their hands without a sanitised wipe being drawn from mum's emergency medi kit that she takes everywhere because god forbid little Johnny might graze his knee, get an infection and need his leg amputated. Kids don't get out anywhere near enough these days. Most of my generation had an allergy at one time or another but you grow out of it. Now you never get to taste the forbidden fruit again.

    Overuse of antibiotics has rendered them useless to many people, only because doctors are often too weak to tell people NO, you don't need antibiotics, you have a cold ffs.

    I don't think the farmers are too much to blame with much of this though they have certainly played their part with insecticides, steroids and the sort but the processed foods and the crap that goes into it these days is frightening.
    The way our (fresh) food is kept cold store for months so we can keep the public fed with seasonal fruit/veg out of season. Hence its always so bland.

    If you are about to get flamed cement I will probably be going to hell lol
     
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    When ever I used to get scratches or grazes or cuts as a kid, my parents would (unknowingly at the time) joke about “put some dirt on it and you’ll be fine.” So I would (without them knowing) and hey I’m still alive, nothings been chopped off due to infections :D
     
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    Diet is definitely a massive part of it. The additives in food cause some serious health issues. There are over 100 additives that are banned in infant food, but are added liberally in food that people from the age of 4 and up eat. There are apps and books that will show you what each number/additive is and their effects on peoples health. Considering some of the health problems caused by these additives it is mind blowing that they are still used.
    The special classes for autism kids are virtually non-existent, they are thrown in with normal classes at the detriment to the 30 odd other kids education.
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    It isn't that the doctors are too weak. It is more to do with the golfing holidays etc. that the pharmaceutical industry ply them with.
     
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    What a ridiculous and unfounded broad sweeping statement. Have you ever met a child that has been diagnosed with autism or Asperger's Syndrome? They generally just want to keep their heads down, be left alone, and learn in peace. It's the so-called normal children who appear to go to great lengths to make life at school a living hell just because they're different. If anything, it's the "normal" children who are a detriment to their education. They never asked to be segregated by both teachers and students. They never asked to be negatively labelled and treated differently.

    This all has absolutely nothing to with reptiles or wasps. Why are you even discussing this?
     
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    I know a bloke at work who has autism and a kid at my daughter's school who has Asperger's... both are nothing short of certified geniuses. Highly intelligent individuals who have no problems at all with academics, mainly just a little socially disadvantaged.... due to the non accepting "normal people" who label them weirdos.
     
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    Ok, the point is there is a growing amount of sickness and ill health in our kids which is a problem. And a hell of a lot of it is along the lines of allergies and auto-immune disease. In the time between my first post and this one, I got news that a friend has just been flown down to a major hospital because of severe anaphylactic reaction yo something, but no-one knows what. At this point if the doctors take her off steroids she goes into Anaphylactic shock and will die without being pumped full of steroids.
    Its a serious problem.
    I wonder if she was vaccinated as a young child though.
     
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    I'm not sure how the story about bee/wasp stings got distorted into a story about allergies.Sure both are fairly worrying in their way,but some people have always been allergic/reactive to stings;the other things are more of a newer thing,steroids and over use of anti-biotics have changed the human health scenario.Too much of anything is not a good thing.
    But this new thing about peanut(et al)allergies is just over the top, to me it's just a load of cobblers."oh little Jimmy can't go near some kid who ate peanuts etc. because he will die" REALLY? get out of your helicopters people.
    When I was a kid if parents heard of some kid with chicken pox,they would make us play with them so we didn't get chicken pox etc.Eat some dirt and get healthy you soft C**ks!!!!
     
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    Sorry to hear about you friend mate. I had the vaccinations and so did my kids. None of us have any allergies. I do think quite often kids are 'treated' for allergies without really having anything they wouldn't have grown out of if just left to it like we were 40 odd years ago.

    I got to agree with that.
     
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    Are you serious Oshkii?
    I am talking from experience, I have three kids at school and each one of them have kids in their class on the autism spectrum that disrupt class activities on a daily basis. There are varying levels of autism and not all of them 'keep their heads down' as you say. There are the ones that keep their heads down and are not a threat, then there is then other end of the scale where they have a propensity for violent behaviour without any emotional thought and no feelings of regret or sorrow. Then there are the ones closer to the middle who have a propensity for violence but have an emotional reaction afterward which causes them to feel regret and sorrow for their actions. There are also many combinations of the above in between.
    The issues I see with kids these day are ten even twenty fold what they were thirty years ago.

    My children have a right to an uninterrupted education and so do the other ninety kids in their three classes and I refuse to tow the PC line just to make the few that cause the issues happy.
     
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    Speaking from personal experience:
    Parents these days don't want anyone to say "no" to their precious baby. I've been verbally assaulted by mothers whos children i told "no, you cant pet my dog". It's absolutely insane that parents now refuse to say no- and as a result children are growing up with no boundaries and no rules. I was taught to be respectful of other people- I was taught how I should behave in public. Toddlers and young children really get on my nerves in public- the screaming, crying, begging... if i had done that i would have had my butt kicked or left at home.
    In the case of children with autism, the children don't understand normal social cues- they won't see many things such as facial expression/body language as important and as a result they do miss out on a huge amount of information that the world outputs. They very often need to be told step-by-step what is appropriate behaviour and what is not.
    Combine that with "yes" parents, you end up with a kid who knows no boundaries and no rules. They don't understand what they're doing in inappropriate- and when the kids do get old enough and big enough that they do become a serious problem it is a much harder task to essentially 'retrain' them.

    I feel things like autism, adhd, add, ect are just so overdiagnosed. Parents want something to explain why their 'precious angel' isn't perfectly well behaved. Parents need an excuse as to why they failed their job of raising a kid who will fit into society.

    I recently saw a kid whos parents claimed he had Tourettes. I'm no expert, but all this kid did was swear very maliciously at his parents and other people. I know swearing can be a tic, but it was evident his so called 'tics' were very intentional. If you've ever met someone with tourettes, you'll know its generally very easy to tell a 'tic' from normal speech. This kid just had a serious potty mouth and his parents needed something to tell other people.


    And as for the original matter...
    I don't think the rates of allergies has gone up all that much. People are living longer, more people are having kids and there is obviously a much larger population.
    1/100 people having an allergy doesnt sound so bad. 1000/1000000 sounds much worse simply because now 1000 people have an allergy. But both represent only 1% of a population...
     
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    The kids I am talking about have been assessed and are on the spectrum, they are not just badly behaved children. I also want to point out that I wasn't attacking autistic people with my posts I was merely pointing out that the specialised autism classes are virtually non-existent, which does effect the whole class of kids without autism. This is the fault of schools who are underfunded to begin with and are paid extra funding for children with disablities. It is also the fault of the parents of the autistic children who are constantly contacted to come to the school to deal with events that happen and refuse to do the right thing for both their child and the other children in the class by finding an alternative education facility.
    Because of the fact that the child has a disability, the school won't expel for fear of litigaton and also because of the funding they will lose.
     
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    I completely agree- I was attempting to say more often than not, the approach of the parent is detrimental to the behaviour of a child with autism.
    I’m almost certain said kids who are often ‘disruptive’ in a class/social situation would do so much better if the parents were better able to communicate and teach their children better
     
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    Jesus...THIS turned into a conversation about disabilities? Wow. Just Wow.
     
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    I'm a strong believer that the over-cleanliness of the Western world causes more allergies, because we do not grow up allowing our bodies to learn how to fight certain bacteria, foreign particles etc. I've had Atopy since I was a kid, which is a combo of hayfever, asthma, and allergic dermatitis. I am not excessively hygienic now, nor was I really as a child, I was always one of those kids digging around in dirt looking for wildlife (as I'm sure most of us on here were). And I avoid pharmaceuticals as much as I can now (although not when I was a kid). So I wonder if it was my mother's cleanliness and use of pharmaceuticals before/ during her pregnancy... It's an interesting topic. I have been vaccinated throughout my life.
     
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    It's difficult to comprehend that there would be a link between allergies to bee, ant and wasp venom and other dis-ease/dis-ability like autism etc, but there is.
    We live in a toxic soup. Pollution, dusts, metals, food, alchohol, drugs,stress, its all a strain on the immunity system. It doesn't take long for the system to become overloaded and problems arise. You don't grow out of dis-ease. What happens is that the immunity system simply finds a way to deal with the allergy and keep it at bay. But our immunity system when stretched, can break down quite easily when the organs are full of toxins. Which can result in a multitude of seemingly unrelated issues.
    I've had the pleasure of spending time with Robbie Bredl, and was blown away by his knowledge of how the natural web of life all meshed together, seemingly unrelated species of plants and animals and how they all fit in together and how a problem with one, will affect the rest.
    His knowledge follows along the same path of another person I greatly admire who is a naturopath, who has the same understanding but along the lines of how the systems of our bodies work exactly the same way. And why wouldn't it be that way?
    Doctors, on the other hand, do not look at it like that. This last winter, I needed 4 courses of strong anti-biotics to pull up an infection that got into the elbow joint from a tiny scratch at work, I woke up with a massive elbow, it literally blew up overnight. The anti-biotics stopped the infection eventually, but destroyed the immunity system to the point that a common cold my wife bought home that didn't even hardly register in her, nearly killed me. Once again the doctors only response was to say "well, we don't want to give you any more anti-biotics, but maybe just take a pro-biotic every day,''. They have no idea of how to repair the damage done to the organs or the gut by these medications. He did however say that this winter was the worst for the flu virus, with more people contracting flu this year then ever before. Strangely, it has also been the biggest year of administered flu vaccine!! But they are scratching their heads, have no idea, and just simply think "oh well, it is what it is". I was told I had better get up to date with tetanus, because I have no record of being vaccinated and in their words "considering my lifestyle", I almost agreed....but then the nurse said "do you want diphtheria or whooping cough?" Apparently they don't vaccinate just with the tetanus any more, it is a double dose with either of those others too. Thats when i told them to shove their vaccines. If I haven't got tetanus nor do I know of anyone who has ever had it, and I have livestock farming in my family, plus 30 years in domestic construction, then why the F*** would I want ???

    Charlie Darwin's theory on evolution is based on competition and survival of the fittest, basically, slight differences in individuals can be detrimental or advantageous to a species as a whole, which will allow the ongoing growth of a species and the destruction of another that may share the same niche in the environment, that doesn't have the same slight advantage.

    People are the same, some are born with stronger immunity systems that can tolerate higher levels of stress than others. Anyone here know of a mate who can drink, smoke or partake in more quantities of drugs then others? Thats as simple a way of understanding what is going on. If you pass out after 6 beers and your mate can drink 30 before passing out, then you may have a weaker immune system. If you consider that a leaky gut or an overloaded toxic liver can make a person angry or depressed, then thats a start on seeing why we have so many problems as a species. Individuals who enjoy great health, ie, healthy organs, are happy, and deal with stress much better then others. The trick is allowing ourselves to be healthy isn't it?

    If snakes shared the same way of life as bees and the other flying stinging insects, then you could guarantee that they would have the deserved reputation that would come along with that. But they don't.
     
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    My apologies for the outburst, Scutellatus. It sounds as though either the school or parents have poorly managed the situation. I can see why you might be concerned. I'd like to point out that no autistic child is aggressive for the sake of it, however. It often stems from frustration due to a lack of understanding and communication. Imagine being trapped in a world where you don't understand others, try as you might, and in turn not being able to communicate your own feelings and intentions. It's not too different from us reptile lovers trying to convey that snakes are not the so-called spawn of Satan, and yet, people just don't understand, or simply choose not to.
     
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    Oh yeah I got told exactly this today by an African guy from the Congo Delta... told me that "snakes are the devil and that you should kill your snakes and not have them in your house and that if you want to see animals, go to the Bush"... he then proceeded to.say... "If I want to see a tree, I go to the park, I don't have a tree in my house...

    So yes... I guess the buses don't go where he lives...
     
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    All good Kayla, it is a sensitive situation so I do understand your reaction. One point I do want to make is that the autism spectrum is very broad and includes autism of varying degrees from acute to severe, because of this you can't use blanket statements about the reasons for aggression etc. as there are some on the lower end of the scale that most definitely know what they are doing, when they are doing it.
    There needs to be more specialised education facilities that can educate these kids in a way that suits their needs, so both they and the kids in non-specialised schools can get an uninterrupted education.
     

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