Green Hunting

[Snake Catcher Victoria]

Did anyone watch this last night?
What a different idea, hunters paying thousands of dollars to hunt African big game with tranquiliser rifles.
They get their pics taken with their sleeping animals and they are not impacting on the environment anywhere near as much as the non green hunters.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this newish sport?.

 

[bulionz]

last night what channal??

and that would be a great idea ive always been against hunting,most of African animals are endanger'd from hunters and if its just for a picture then that's heaps good.
well i do love Africa and all its wildlife but if they keep killing for money there's not gonna be a African wildlife no more so yeah I'm all for it.

 

[Snake Catcher Victoria]

I think it was 60 minutes on channel 9

 

[Flaviruthless]

I think it's a wonderful idea, however, I will just say that game hunting (in South Africa at least) has been responsible for saving one species that I know of (a type of antelope, I believe it was a blue buck or something like that). The reason game hunting can actually be good is because rather than farmers killing native animals so their domestic herds can have the same feed, some farmers start to breed the native animals so they can sell them to the hunters. I don't like the idea of animals being bred to die but it happens all over the place and if it saves a species it seems like a good idea. If green hunting takes off, that would be fantastic.

Sorry for the long post

 

[slim6y]

I didn't see it - but what other effects can it have on these animals?

They wake up groggy....

They lose their herd (assuming they're in one).

They can't defend themselves from attacks from other animals....

What if one wakes during the photo shoot and kills the person (that's only a matter of time).

Is it really better than the alternative?

Maybe i should have watched it before commenting.... But maybe you can answer my above queries

 

[Snake Catcher Victoria]

Some info here which is biased
'Green hunting' the Big Five - SouthAfrica.info
but there are people who think it should not be happening and that its cruel ect.
I reckon if you can go from killing 200 animals a night to killing none, well thats just gotta be a good thing huh.

Immobilisation drugs and antidotes
When all procedures and measurements are done, equipment and people are moved to safety and the vet injects the antidote to reverse the effect of the immobilisation drug.
Different immobilisation drugs are used for different species. Elephant, antelope and rhino make a quick and complete recovery, sometimes within 30 seconds. But for cat species there isn't a complete antidote. The drug has to leave their system for complete recovery, so cats are guarded for 24 hours until fully awake and aware.
In an individual hunt the client pulls the trigger him- or herself, a professional hunter and a game capture vet must be in attendance, and the hunt has to be booked and organised through a registered hunting outfitter, just as for a trophy hunt.
The outfitter has to acquire the darting rights to the animal before it's marketed, and must have in place an experienced and professional team to carry out the hunt. Sometimes a commercial game capture helicopter pilot is also required. The client hunter must have had training and practice in the use of the dart gun, and must be briefed on all aspects of the darting safari and the course of events - the safety of both people and animals is paramount.

 

[Troyster]

Something that also comes to mind is what if the same animal is tranquillized several times within a week/month? Surely that would have to have some sort of on going effect on the animal?

 

[grannieannie]

I thought it was interesting as I agree with Troyster in regard to wondering what the side affects would eventually be over a time if the same animal was tranquillized.....however, on the positive side I noticed that they were giving medical treatment to the animals once they were down, so that part is good. I guess no situation is perfect and if the benefits outweigh the negatives then it's acceptable. But it does seem a bit strange.

 

[moosenoose]

I think they should let the game hunters loose on the plains and hunt them down with tranquilizer guns

 

[fritzi2009]

I think it's stupid. They are still hunting down wild animals, shooting them with these tranquilisers and leaving then open to attacks from other animals, and possible side effects. If these "sportsmen" want to be "green" they should leave the animals alone all-together.
I just dont see what they get out of it. Proving they're big tough men? I know I'm not impressed lol

Im against it, but I would rather they do this than go back to killing the animals.

IMO they should shoot each other with tranquilisers and call it "sport," and see how much they like it

 

[Snake Catcher Victoria]

Personaly, I love to hunt and when I was younger I used to do a fair bit.
Nowadays I wont shoot ducks or native animals but thankfully there are heaps of feral animals, pigs,rabbits,foxes,dogs and cats that need to be shot so I still get the chance to go hunting and get my fix.

 

[Vixen]

I think they should let the game hunters loose on the plains and hunt them down with tranquilizer guns

I agree, i'd pay for a chance to hunt them down! :lol: *sneaks in real rifle*

 

[Ramsayi]

Only caught a bit of it but what I saw was them knocking out a lion that had mange.Once out they treated it with antibiotics and cleaned it up.

 

[AUSHERP]

sounds like the lesser of two evils, but why cant we just leave ***** alone?

 

[slim6y]

Only caught a bit of it but what I saw was them knocking out a lion that had mange.Once out they treated it with antibiotics and cleaned it up.

way to deal with survival of the fittest....

it's bizarre how we see helping animals with antibiotics as a 'good' thing... When we begin to 'help' we begin to help breeding inadequacies into the pride/herd etc...

We continue to meddle in stuff we should have nothing to do with and we think we're doing the right thing but in reality, just like chaos theory predicts.... down the track there's an effect - whether we see it as in ill effect or not... there's an effect!!!

I still stand by not agreeing with this type of hunting and continue to be anti 'game' hunting or fishing - fishing for food or hunting for food and or ferrals is a different story.

Ignorant males with small..... brains.... there's no requirement to hunt an elephant and I believe there's more skill in nailing a rabbit or a fox in Australia than hitting a 2 tonne giant!

 

[$NaKe PiMp]

it appears if these sort of hunters dont get to go green shooting,they will shoot them for real and pay big bucks to do it,so this may be the answer even if we dont like it,its better than killing off these beautiful creatures and could quite possibly be an exellent opputunity to collect data on them and even inspect and treat the animal for possible health conditions.

 

[Ramsayi]

way to deal with survival of the fittest....

it's bizarre how we see helping animals with antibiotics as a 'good' thing... When we begin to 'help' we begin to help breeding inadequacies into the pride/herd etc...

We continue to meddle in stuff we should have nothing to do with and we think we're doing the right thing but in reality, just like chaos theory predicts.... down the track there's an effect - whether we see it as in ill effect or not... there's an effect!!!

I still stand by not agreeing with this type of hunting and continue to be anti 'game' hunting or fishing - fishing for food or hunting for food and or ferrals is a different story.

Ignorant males with small..... brains.... there's no requirement to hunt an elephant and I believe there's more skill in nailing a rabbit or a fox in Australia than hitting a 2 tonne giant!

Would not the same logic apply to WIRES,RSPCA etc and anyone else doing rescues of our native animals?

 

[smeejason]

The sad thing for all you anti hunters is that without all the big game hunters now we would not have a rhino left. It is the money from the hunters that protects the rhino and other endangered animals. i am glad that the authorities in africa see the big picture that letting a few rich yanks pay1000's of dollars to hunt a rhino or elephant is better than letting the local poachers kill them all for a couple bucks worth of horn or ivory.
The locals get jobs from the hunting which in turn makes them protect there income.
while you are sitting in front of the key board making uneducated statements search Zimbabwe.. and see what has happened to all the great game animals that that country once had.. before what happened now it was a trophy hunters heaven and the big bad hunters brought in money now the hunters left and the animals were worth nothing. i will let you guess what happened to the game animals and the rhino herds in zimbabwe.......... give you a hint mmmmmmmmmyummm roast rhino.

I no longer hunt but when i did it was not to make me more man-ly it was for the thrill of being in the bush with a bow ad testing my hunting skills against a worthy game animal.more often than not i lost but i had a good time.

 

[slim6y]

Would not the same logic apply to WIRES,RSPCA etc and anyone else doing rescues of our native animals?

Absolutely - though there is situations depending...

Most animals in Africa are not hit by cars (I'd assume). Mange on the other hand is caused by parasitic mites or ticks can't recall (should look that up hehe).

Now I'd assume that some animals are naturally resistant to these?

I assume also the existence of these mites isn't caused (entirely) by our interfering with the pride.

Then in that case - treatment is possibly detrimental.

When the RSPCA help an injured animal - it's often as a direct cause with humans - and we have 'guilt' to associate with so we do try our best to mend our ways with this - while that is a little bit contradictory - it's not to the same extent as wiping out immunity due to antibiotics.... Maybe that's a n extreme case... I don't know.

So I guess in summary - if we don't interfere we can't cause the initial issues... so why try and clean them up

But as it happens - we do interfere and cause the initial issues and this causes a compounding problem!!!

 

[Snake Catcher Victoria]

Well there are less animals out there as a direct result of the human hunting for bush meat or trophy or land clearing and a million other thing,so it should be the humans responsibility to help with the survival of the ones that are left.
If that means treating mange or caring for koalas or relocating reptiles then we are obligated as humans to do this