Raptor my lazy Centralian python (morelia bredli python)

[ROLLIN2022]

This is my big boy Raptor nearly 7ft and quite thick not fatty thick only at the age of 5 years old iv only had him for about 8 months and his personality is amazing but when he wants has a bad day we all know about it don’t know how many times iv replaced the bulbs cause he has constricted the light protectors cages to the point they smash the globes to turning his enclosure upside like a bomb went off he gets very snappy when he wants to but most times he is calm collect he eats like a bat out of hell that’s for sure and for some reason he will demand his food when he want to be fed no ideas where in the last 3 months he has picked that up from
at the Moment it’s one medium rat a week and my god doesn’t he take them like he starving soon as he sees a rat he is ready iv watched him sling shot himself to the bottom on the enclosure for a rat he forgot to Secure himself to the log no harm or injuries were Done yes he is really food defensive and eats like a pig about to start him on large rats and see how we go he only like to be held, touched or comes out of his enclosure when he wants yes your probably thinking attitude that’s for sure but not really though he has the opportunity to adventure out when he wants as enclosure is open majority of the day for him he loves the top of the enclosure and my fridge as well can’t tell u why but he has broken 3 tvs so far but it’s Raptor
Ps yes any think small like a box he try’s to get himself and 7ft of body in to it as well Not matter how big or small like below trying to get in his spear bulbs box
Loves watching your every move from some weird angle you know that feeling someone’s always watching you guarantee raptor is

 

[Tony Jones]

Hi Rollin for that size he will take alot bigger than a medium rat he would comfortably take an extra large rat at that size

 

[Herpetology]

That’s not a bredli

 

[Python]

Hi Rollin, welcome. Enjoy the forum.

 

[Reptilechick]

That’s not a bredli

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Agreed, Raptor is most definitely a Coastal. But who are we to judge.

 

[crudbucket]

Why say it’s a bredli?

 

[Python]

That’s not a bredli

Agreed, Raptor is most definitely a Coastal. But who are we to judge.

How can you distinguish a bredli from a coastal?

 

[Herpetology]

How can you distinguish a bredli from a coastal?

These are quite generic specimens



I’m not convinced it’s a coastal either, to me it’s mutt/cross species, between probably diamond/coastal, but it’s definitely not a single pure species

 

[Reptilechick]

These are quite generic specimens

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I’m not convinced it’s a coastal either, to me it’s mutt/cross species, between probably diamond/coastal, but it’s definitely not a single pure species

Are you saying more cross due to the lack of "banding" and more patchy spotted pattern?

The reason I say this is we had a large coastal python in our roof in Brisbane who was very similar looking to this guy,

That said, the more I look, the more I can see the "diamond rosette" pattern too so you are probably right.

 

[ROLLIN2022]

When I took him down to a mate who has a large scale business in reptiles he was determined as a species of bredli python
Same with the reptile vet I took him to for a general check said it was a bredli python
There is so many different kinds/species of bredli pythons from a hypo bredli to a terracotta red bredli they change colour for no reason known from dark nearly black to terracotta red

Hi Rollin for that size he will take alot bigger than a medium rat he would comfortably take an extra large rat at that size

Hi Tony due to circumstances that I got him from I couldn’t just put him on xl rats we ate about to start large rats then hopefully after the next 2 feeds he will be back on xl rats

 

[crudbucket]

Nice coastal. not a bredli

 

[Sdaji]

When I took him down to a mate who has a large scale business in reptiles he was determined as a species of bredli python
Same with the reptile vet I took him to for a general check said it was a bredli python
There is so many different kinds/species of bredli pythons from a hypo bredli to a terracotta red bredli they change colour for no reason known from dark nearly black to terracotta red

I absolutely positively 110% guarantee that is not a bredli, it likely has zero bredli blood at all, it literally makes no sense to say 'a species of bredli python' (all bredli are the same species), and any vet or anyone who says that's a bredli has no business giving out information about snakes.

Anyone who actually knows anything about snakes will be able to tell you with complete confidence that your snake is not a bredli. It's either a Coastal Carpet or a cross.

He's a lovely snake and I'm sure he's a fantastic pet, just not a bredli.

 

[ROLLIN2022]

I absolutely positively 110% guarantee that is not a bredli, it likely has zero bredli blood at all, it literally makes no sense to say 'a species of bredli python' (all bredli are the same species), and any vet or anyone who says that's a bredli has no business giving out information about snakes.

Anyone who actually knows anything about snakes will be able to tell you with complete confidence that your snake is not a bredli. It's either a Coastal Carpet or a cross.

He's a lovely snake and I'm sure he's a fantastic pet, just not a bredli.

This is a bredli jag that my mate has who breeds bredli pythons and has for 20 odd years they come in all different shape and sizes iv had him looked at by 2 different reptile enthusiasts who have stated he is a bredli python and everythink about raptor states bredli as well
Raptor might not be 100% bredli not saying he is or isn’t but he definitely has or majority is bredli python!

 

[Sdaji]

This is a bredli jag that my mate has who breeds bredli pythons and has for 20 odd years they come in all different shape and sizes iv had him looked at by 2 different reptile enthusiasts who have stated he is a bredli python and everythink about raptor states bredli as well
Raptor might not be 100% bredli not saying he is or isn’t but he definitely has or majority is bredli python!

A bredli jag is not a bredli. The original jags were not bredli and there are probably no pure jags in existence (there's some controversy over what the original jag was, it was probably a jungle or jungle cross which was said to be a coastal for legal reasons).

Your snake may or may not have bredli in it, your pride isn't allowing you to back down, but at least you clearly know it's not a bredli. Calling a snake something it clearly is not just shows that a person is unfamiliar with snakes and has been mislead or is being silly. Literally no one who knows what they are talking about will believe that snake is a bredli, and calling it a bredli just demonstrates a lack of knowledge or honesty. You have the option of demonstrating that you are happy to learn and thanking people for trying to help you, or not. Your choice

 

[Herpetology]

what are we defining as reptile enthusiasts? someone who can identify reptiles? someone with a compulsive reptile buying disorder that makes it seem like they know what they're doing due to the number of reptiles they have?? someone who breeds yearly?? once?? a few times??
who were they? being enthusiasts they're probably well known and know better than us

everythink about raptor states bredli as well

huh? that's insulting to pure Bredli which part of Raptor states Bredli to you? im glad you can atleast say hes not 100% bredli and probably a mix

 

[Reptilechick]

I think we can say the collective majority of us believe Raptor is not a Bredli,

It's clear that for whatever reason @ROLLIN2022 wants to believe Raptor is somewhat a Bredli.

Maybe it's time to agree to disagree and take this back to a better place.

At the end of the day, does it really matter any more? @ROLLIN2022 came here excited and proud of his? python, whatever the breed. Maybe let's go back to encouraging the joy and excitement the original post was meant to celebrate.

I know I have felt disheartened from this group in the past, left, renamed myself and returned in the hope of a fresh start, let's not do the same to this guy.

What ever Raptor is @ROLLIN2022 congratulations on your mate Raptor.

 

[Africa RD]

Introduce yourself, it will be fun they said...until you get bullied on your first post... Bet ROLLIN2022 feels very welcome to this forum...

Nobody likes to be bullied, especially noobs...

We all come here to learn / discuss / become better... what I just read could have been said in a PM... what is this? Primary School?...

I expected better from the elders...

@Reptilechick I'll prob have to go incognito too now...

 

[Herpetology]

Literally noones bullying, we are telling them it’s not a bredli, and giving reason why it’s not a bredli… educating as you might put it, by their responses it would seem they don’t want to be educated and just want to be right

By all means If they want to truly believe it’s a bredli and look the fool, go for it.

 

[Reptilechick]

Introduce yourself, it will be fun they said...until you get bullied on your first post... Bet ROLLIN2022 feels very welcome to this forum...

Nobody likes to be bullied, especially noobs...

We all come here to learn / discuss / become better... what I just read could have been said in a PM... what is this? Primary School?...

I expected better from the elders...

@Reptilechick I'll prob have to go incognito too now...

I wouldn't go as far as to say bullying, I feel it's more a case of lack of patience.
There are a lot of extremely knowledgeable and experienced keepers on these forums, some with decades of experience and there are ways to have discussions and ways not to have discussions.

So many times I have seen people think they know everything ask for advice only to refuse said advice because they didn't agree with it. Sometimes people are just looking for validation.

In this case for example, the OP has his belief, and others had theirs.
Instead of asking why each person felt Raptor was a different "breed", the OP doubled down on his belief and this causes frustration in more experienced and knowledgeable keepers.

@Sdaji is extremely knowledgeable and offered some really good points, and compliments, this was the time for the OP to acknowledge someone with more experience and accept the compliments, he chose not to and again doubled down and offered further "evidence" that he was correct, the "debate" could have ended there.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is if people come to these types of forums with experienced specialist keepers, they also need to learn to accept that they are not always right and neither are their friends.

The point is we are all learning everyday, @Herpetology @Sdaji @ROLLIN2022 , yourself and myself, everyone of us. Sometimes we are right and sometimes we are wrong. Accept it, learn, and be grateful for the knowledge you gain.

 

[Sdaji]

If a n00b comes along and says something completely wrong and is politely told the actual situation, they can either say

"Wow, interesting, thanks for the information!" and most likely be welcomed warmly...

or, despite being clearly utterly wrong, they can say that the people who actually know what they're talking about have no idea, and claim that they know better despite being obviously wrong.

If they choose the latter, they can't really complain if they aren't feeling as much love as they otherwise might, and probably have a more important lesson to learn than what species their snake is.

We all start knowing nothing, that's nothing to be ashamed of. We don't even have an obligation to learn, it's okay to choose to remain ignorant; there are plenty of topics I know nothing about, and as long as I don't pretend to know anything about them, it's not an issue. If you choose to argue with people who do know their stuff, especially when it's a group of people and you are so completely obviously in the wrong, that's where you're not really doing yourself any favours, and a lack of a continued warm welcome is on you.

Incidentally, there is no such thing as a breed of snake. Breeds are things like poodles, German shepherd dogs, Angus cattle, Devon Rex cats, etc. Breeds are created when humans selectively breed animals to create a new breed within their species. Breeds do not naturally exist. Different species (or subspecies or other taxa) are not breeds. It is possible that in the future people will create snake breeds, but we haven't done it yet. Arguably some lines are close to be being breeds.