it is illegal to own any of the east coast sub species in wa, so it doesn't matter if its legal or not....Not all states. WA it is certainly illegal to cross sub species. And sub species are listed as such.
it is illegal to own any of the east coast sub species in wa, so it doesn't matter if its legal or not....Not all states. WA it is certainly illegal to cross sub species. And sub species are listed as such.
Come on mate. We have NWCP and SWCP. Some people have both under the right licenses.... Two sub species of Morelia spilota occur in WA.it is illegal to own any of the east coast sub species in wa, so it doesn't matter if its legal or not....
Generally on our species lists jungles, diamonds, coastals, MDs, SWCP, darwins, etc. are all classed as carpet pythons (Morelia spilota). Therefore it is legal to cross the different subspecies of Morelia spilota in all states. As bredli (Morelia bredli) are not of the same species even though they are of the same genus, it is illegal for a MD and a Bredli to reproduce in some states.
Im confused now. So the Centralian Carpet Python is not even a carpet python? I thought it was Morelia Spilota Bredli...according to my searches you are correct and it is Morelia Bredli (seperate species) so is Central Carpet just a case of the wrong name sticking like King Brown?Generally on our species lists jungles, diamonds, coastals, MDs, SWCP, darwins, etc. are all classed as carpet pythons (Morelia spilota). Therefore it is legal to cross the different subspecies of Morelia spilota in all states. As bredli (Morelia bredli) are not of the same species even though they are of the same genus, it is illegal for a MD and a Bredli to reproduce in some states.
Correct, also be aware that keeping a male and female snake in the same enclosure is classed as "intend to breed".
that is why common names suck, it looks like a carpet but isn't a "spilota carpet" the problem is that Morelia species are commonly refered to as carpets, but spilota are also refered to as carpets, e.g bredli (centralian carpet), amethystine (scrubby), viridis (green tree). to my knowledge all of these can interbreed, but are not spilota. to my knowledge kind brown was originally classed as naja and then as pseudoechis, whilst bredli were once morelia spilota bredli, but DNA typing has actually shown them to be a distinct species, but i haven't done detailed research on the taxonomy
where did you find this information? I have never heard of that before.
Hi mates, I wish to express a HUGE THANK YOU to you right here. You have taught me so much in this one, single thread!
By now, I didn't even know that the two python species which I have acquired could possibly "interbreed". I thought - two different species? Well, then it is just like dog and cat, or cat and fox, or dog and hyena - they cannot produce offspring because they are too different. But obviously, in pythons, the term "species" must be interpreted rather as "variety" or what dog and cat breeders call "breed". So, thank you for the education that they could produce some sort of unwanted mix-bred offspring which in snake lover's languange is called "hybrids".
Now, I will definitely keep both species apart. Especially, as someone mentioned that it is even "illegal" to allow interracial boy and girl sex to happen!
I have followed your advice and have put both males away from the cattery cage into separate enclosures. However, I gave them the enclosures which formerly belonged to the females, because I think that the water tanks in which the boys were before (is that what some of you call "tubs"?) were/are absolutely inappropriate for such large snakes. In the enclosures which I bought with the females, the boys now have 3 levels to change from cool (with a water bowl) to medium (with a blanket to hide under) to warm (with a heat lamp and a UV lamp), so I'd say this is sufficient to start with. Further, I think that the smell of the respective female who lived in there before (and the carpet floorings haven't been washed since) may give the boys the right dreams for their winter sleep ...
The two big girls, however, are still in the large outdoor cattery cage - together. If I find a way how to post pictures here, I will show it to you. I believe it is a real "paradise" for snakes, featuring everything they find in their natural habitats and with lots of hiding places. With this size and quality of habitat, I believe that the two females can live together peacefully. I will screw on a stronger heat lamp tomorrow which I just bought, together with other snake acessories, so there will even be two basking platforms.
Python breeding is a very expensive hobby, isn't it? Just spent another $350 today only on cage accessories. But I love the idea anyway. I hope it will work out in spring and give us some snake babies!
I have followed your advice and have put both males away from the cattery cage into separate enclosures. However, I gave them the enclosures which formerly belonged to the females, because I think that the water tanks in which the boys were before (is that what some of you call "tubs"?) were/are absolutely inappropriate for such large snakes. In the enclosures which I bought with the females, the boys now have 3 levels to change from cool (with a water bowl) to medium (with a blanket to hide under) to warm (with a heat lamp and a UV lamp), so I'd say this is sufficient to start with. Further, I think that the smell of the respective female who lived in there before (and the carpet floorings haven't been washed since) may give the boys the right dreams for their winter sleep ...
Python breeding is a very expensive hobby, isn't it? Just spent another $350 today only on cage accessories. But I love the idea anyway. I hope it will work out in spring and give us some snake babies!
Not to mention the possible need for either freshly killed or live pinkies if there are any difficult starters.snakes dont need blankets!!
if you think its expensive now wait until you have a crapload of hatchies to house and feed.
And when you cant sell them due to everyone breeding unwanted snakes [ they all want albinos ] you will be drowning in snakes . Have fun :]
I think, from your conversation here, that you have a lot to learn before even considering breeding these snakes, especially if you keep them in an outdoor enclosure. Just because the accommodation appears to you to be OK doesn't mean it will suit them, especially through a very cold winter. Snakes have access to a far wider range of microclimates in the wild than we can ever provide them with in captivity, and they know what they need to stay alive through the winter. I suggest your animals run a very great risk of dying from a respiratory infection sometime thorough the winter once their immune systems slow down along with their metabolism, and you won't even know they are ill before it's too late because once they shut down, you will not be able to disturb them to check on them.
Similarly with egg-laying and incubation, the female will find a niche with the correct range of temperatures and humidity (very important) for the 8 week + incubation period... if your "cattery" exceeds the maximum temps for even a few hours, and is too dry during the summer period, the eggs will die, or she will desert them. What do you propose to do when (or if) the eggs hatch and the babies have disappeared out of the cattery before you know it?
You've got a long way to go...
Jamie
snakes dont need blankets!!
if you think its expensive now wait until you have a crapload of hatchies to house and feed.
It is surprising how many people have trouble getting their head around that concept.But they are warm blooded.. So the heat they produce under a blanket will be trapped and that together with the heat they are producing will keep them warm... Oh wait, they are cold blooded arent they! So under the blanket will be just as cold as above without a heat source. Hmmmmm
Yet no doubt the same people have experienced hopping into a cold bed that warms up in a few minutes with body heat... Makes you wonder.It is surprising how many people have trouble getting their head around that concept.
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