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I'm with you bro. Thank god I'm on the other side of the country. IMO something has to be done about it. Sending that many people out to kill certain species is asking for it. The concept I think is a good idea. The execution not so much. The cash prizes really bothers me. I don't like the glorification of killing animals, invasive or not. I hope at least some of the participants are familiar with dealing with large constrictors.
 
I'm with you bro. Thank god I'm on the other side of the country. IMO something has to be done about it. Sending that many people out to kill certain species is asking for it. The concept I think is a good idea. The execution not so much. The cash prizes really bothers me. I don't like the glorification of killing animals, invasive or not. I hope at least some of the participants are familiar with dealing with large constrictors.

'Merikuns, 'nuff said.
 
haha kind of goes against the whole meaning of wildlife conversation doesnt it...
 
Are you implying that the pythons in the Everglades should be conserved?

Haha thats what i thought they meant as well. But I think they mean that, that many people bashing through the bush will be doing more damage than good.
 
Found this article somewhere on the interwebs.... makes a good read

somewhere on the interwebs said:
In this corner……..weighing in at 1000 pounds and at 15 hands high, wearing the brown fur with black mane….the wild horse!!!!
And in this corner..…..weighing in at 200 pounds and at 18 feet long, wearing the brown and beige scales…..the Burmese Python!!!!
When people are out driving and they see a wild horse, they pull over, grab their cameras and take pictures so they can share them their friends and family to ooo and ahhh over. People in this country have this romantic abstraction with horses due to their historical significance. And because of this, they choose to look the other way when it comes to the abundant amount of problems these animals cause.
The truth is, wild horses are a non-native, invasive species. Hmmm, where have we heard that term a lot lately?
Wild horses have established populations in over half of the states in our union, with the largest populations located in the Western United States. Horses are large, hardy, warm-blooded animals that are highly adaptable to a wide variety of habitats.
In comparison, Burmese pythons are only established in a small region in the southernmost tip of Florida. Pythons being cold-blooded, environmentally dependant animals are not highly adaptable and require very specific conditions to survive.
Now let’s take a look at environmental impact. Large populations of horses are known to over-forage areas leaving little or no food for native foraging wildlife to feed on. This also displaces other wildlife by destroying habitat and shelter. Over-foraging also often leads to land erosion which in turn also destroys the shelters of many burrowing animals, and also can cause harmful effects on nearby natural water sources. The totality of this destruction affects dozens of species of animal, large and small.
Now let’s compare this to Burmese pythons in the Everglades. Pythons do need to eat and are efficient hunters. However, due to their slow metabolism, pythons rarely need to eat more than one or two good meals per month, and a large meal can sustain them for up to 6 months. Aside from eating the occasional native animal, they do nothing more to harm the environment.
Now let’s address the concerns of public safety. Throughout the country, there are over a hundred injuries reported due to conflicts with wild horses, sometimes these even result in death. These are almost always random, unexpected encounters.
I have been unable to find any incidents of wild Burmese pythons causing human injuries aside from the occasional bite due to a person deliberately choosing to engage the animal. I have not found any incidents reported of an injury or death due to a random, unexpected encounter with a wild python.
Now, I’d like to take a look at economic impact. The BLM spends 40-60 million dollars a year to ‘manage’ wild horse populations. On top of this, millions more are spent on state and local levels, and from private organizations. Wild horses also cause tens of thousands of dollars in personal property damage which often has to come out of individual’s pockets.
I have been unable to find any concrete numbers of how much money is spent on managing wild Burmese pythons, I only seem to hear about the billions of dollars that have been spent over the past few decades to restore the Everglades due to other problems, not including pythons. No doubt money is being spent on the cause, but it is undoubtedly NOT to the same extent as managing wild horses. Also, Burmese pythons do not cause private property damage.
It is exceedingly apparent that horses are far more harmful to the environment, to public safety, and to finance than the Burmese pythons could ever be. Now let’s see what our government chooses to do about this.
In 1971, at the recommendation of the DOI and BLM, congress enacted the Wild Horse and Burro Act, to require protection, management, and control of wild free- roaming horses and burros on public lands. It is the policy of Congress that wild free-roaming horses and burros shall be protected from capture, branding, harassment, or death.
So basically they take this non-native, invasive species and protect them, rather than take measures to protect native wildlife and habitat.
On the other hand, at the recommendation of the DOI and USFWS, wild Burmese pythons were classified as injurious species and listed on the Lacey Act outlawing importation and transportation across state lines, affecting businesses and owners across the entire country, but doing nothing to address the issues in Florida. Then to top it off, the FWC creates a contest encouraging people to go hunt and kill these animals, offering cash prizes for the reptilian corpses turned in!
The definition of an invasive/injurious species is:
A plant, animal, or other organism that is not native to the ecosystem under consideration, and whose introduction causes (or is likely to cause) economic or environmental harm or harm to human health.
That definition absolutely includes horses as well as cats, dogs, and many other animals. Why aren’t they on the list? The issue with the Burmese python is a small localized issue confined to a tiny portion of one state, it is not a national problem and biologically it is impossible for it to become so. Wild horses ARE a national problem, yet instead they choose to protect them?
Wild horses are rounded up every year, and kept at BLM facilities, or adopted out to spend their remaining days in peoples care.
Burmese pythons that are captured, are brutally dispatched and afforded no recourse to live at all.
Now, I’m not saying these things about wild horses because I believe anything should change with them. I’m saying these things to make a comparison and show the bias that we are facing. This recent addition of large constrictors to the Lacey Act is only the tip of the iceberg. Many states across the country, are now trying to jump onboard and flat out BAN ownership of exotic animals. I know Exotic Animal Owners can’t be the only ones that see the flaws in the logic of our government. And this is why I have chosen to write this. To bring awareness to the prejudice and discrimination exotic animal owners are facing now, more than ever and in epic proportions. Even though Exotic Pets historically carry significantly less personal and environmental risk than domesticated animals do….they are continuously vilified because of peoples fear and lack of understanding. Most exotic animal owners are already on-board to protect our hobby, businesses and passions and all I can ask is for us all to come together to provide a united front against these injustices, and take some time to properly educate the public.
To everyone else, I plead that before you join the lynch mob against exotic animals and their owners, that you take a moment to learn about and understand these magnificent creatures and learn the facts behind all of these recent attempts to take them away from us. You will find that most exotic animal owners are very eager to share and will happily take the time to impart their knowledge and introduce their beloved pets to you.

John Potash ©2012
 
That is a really interesting read, thanks for posting. I think America definitely need tougher regulations on exotic species, but to take them away all together seems unreasonable. The fact that they are willing to protect horses and offer rewards for killing pythons just goes to show the unjustified and uneducated view, so many people have about reptiles.

I think the best solution would be to introduce better licensing systems and require microchips on all exotic animals. We microchip our cats and dogs. Surely with a bit of work, it would be possible to do the same for reptiles. Ive personally spoken to and seen many American keepers who take good care of their exotic reptiles. I cant even imagine how they would feel if their pets were taken away.
 
Scientists say that 9/10 python 'hunters' look like this

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Well lets look at this with some element of logic.
As some 27 snakes, (and lets assume they are all Burms), have so far been killed or captured we can assume that there are many more out there.
At the current capture rate I would not anticipate more than 100 sum total to be captured/killed/euthanased or whatever else you want to call it in this month long killing fest.
With authorities claiming there to be an estimated 100,000 burms in the everglades at the current capture rate that could take a long time to mop up.
But..........(No, Im not done yet). These babies are more than capable of laying in excess of 50 eggs as a 3 or 4 year old with more mature and bigger specimens suggested as laying towards 100. This kill fest is nothing more than gun hungry yanks doing what they do best while having almost zero impact on the problem.
If these were humans from another country we would welcome them with open arms while they took over everything we have in the name of human rights. And given the same ideal breeding climate and conditions the end result could be somewhat similar. But........lets not forget, this is about non native snakes.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2187969/Giant-17ft-python-caught-Florida--authorities-let-roam-free-MONTH-purpose.html
 
But why is it that they only killed 27 so far??

Pure blind stupidity is why
1200 guys in airboats trying to catch burmese??

Snakes are the original stealth killer
Stealth is needed to catch them

Then look at the season
Middle of bloody winter in Florida now
Any burmese with any sense will be tucked away nice and cosy

Try 10 good asian snake hunters in July and the numbers would be a lot different
 
Found this article somewhere on the interwebs.... makes a good read

I'd like to see someone club a horse to death with a shovel and see how they fair. "in the name of conservation" wouldn't cut it. I'm all for culling invasive species in the most effective humane possible but protecting one because it's furry over scaley is wrong and like another video I saw they mentioned several invasive plant species that were much more of a concern than Burmese pythons.
 
The s word- I agree with that article, just couldn't quote it for some reason.
 
" permitted python hunters who’ve been trained by wildlife officers and the general public, who must go through online training and sign a liability waiver in order to compete. " yes because all my removal of vens and non vens and relocation came from extensive online training... How and why is this even legal? People surely do dissapoint me at times...
 
" permitted python hunters who’ve been trained by wildlife officers and the general public, who must go through online training and sign a liability waiver in order to compete. " yes because all my removal of vens and non vens and relocation came from extensive online training... How and why is this even legal? People surely do dissapoint me at times...

Not a great difference in that there is not much training given to relocators here.What is it a days course? 1/2 day theory,1/2 day hands on?
 
This makes me sad to be an American citizen and happy I live on the other side of the world.
 
If nothing else it puts a focus on the problem, and may encourage a better strategy for culling in the future.
 
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