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I was thinking of breeding my own rats for my 3 pythons.
What type of rats do people breed? Pet store ones or are there special ones?
I need about 150 (200gram) rats a year or 300 (100-125gram)
How many babies do petstore rats have?
Is it easy to get lab rats from universities?
Thanks.



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I've found it difficult to find lab rats so I just use pet store ones or the ones people have advertised. When trying to buy from a pet store DO NOT tell them you are using them for food otherwise they make it extremely hard to buy them.

I find after a couple of generations I introduce some new blood lines and I've never had problems and I'm producing large litters.

If you have any other questions let me know!
 
I don't really know if it is worth breeding your own for 3 snakes.I did it for a year and a half and the rats were a lot cheaper but that did not take into account my labour cost. I also lost a few each summer due to heat waves and this summer I culled my whole lot because of the heatwave we had in early summer and was going to restart after summer but decided to buy in bulk through rodent farm.I found them great and they deliver to my door for $25 on a 6kg box. This is also appealing to me as I have two BHP's so I can also get my rabbits through them and they do quail. I find their rabbits at least half that of shops. If you do go down the breeding path then I would find a local rat breeder and ask to buy live rats for breeding and get some sub adults so you know they are not old breeders.
 
Real lab rats are around $100+ due to the genetic breeding to be used for specific testing,if you get ones from universities I doubt you could real know what they were being used for.
 
I saw on another thread recently the added benefit of buying your breeder rats from a rat breeder is usually they have started to or managed to breed out stuff like aggression etc
 
I was thinking of breeding my own rats for my 3 pythons.
What type of rats do people breed? Pet store ones or are there special ones?
I need about 150 (200gram) rats a year or 300 (100-125gram)
How many babies do petstore rats have?
Is it easy to get lab rats from universities?
Thanks.



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If you feel you want to breed rats then go for it, there are great advantages to breeding your own rodents even if it's only for a small collection. One of the main advantages are always having food available in your freezer when you need it even if shops/suppliers are out, you also know the quality of the rats and what they have been eating when you breed your own. Both of these points alone make breeding my own rodents worth while.

Regarding lab rats, a lot of people claim to have them but very few actually do. The cost of real lab rats is astronomical, some strains are up to $200 PER RAT! Universities will not sell to you, there is one major supplier of lab rodents in Australia and they will only sell to institutions which have certification.

Best thing is to look on gumtree or similar and buy pet type rodents to start your colony.
 
I may look into petstore or local breeder ones. I still plan on buying 6months worth of frozens but would like to breed say 1 male and 3 females so I can buy less for the next 6 months. To see how breeding goes.

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Oh and another silly question. Is there a difference in growth rates-size between say albino, black, smoothcoats, hooded, etc.

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I may look into petstore or local breeder ones. I still plan on buying 6months worth of frozens but would like to breed say 1 male and 3 females so I can buy less for the next 6 months. To see how breeding goes.

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I’d be very lucky to get 150 babies a year from 3 females but I do it because it’s fun and I don’t really plan my breedings properly so others might say differently.

Oh and another silly question. Is there a difference in growth rates-size between say albino, black, smoothcoats, hooded, etc.

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I can't answer about different types but males grow much faster than females. So if you're going for most size as fast as possible, make sure you keep as many of the males as possible.
 
Coat type mutations can make growth rates crappy, but if you are using standard coated rats then the difference in growth rats is mainly due to the genetic quality of the lineage of rodents, and their diet. There is no need to outcross rats if you have a good line going on. This undoes all your selection efforts and is a waste of time. Keep selecting the babies from the best rats you have, as future breeders. Take into account if they are aggressive, have good sized litters, stay healthy, raise their babies well and babies have good growth rate. If any of these aspects are not desirable in the rat in question, don't use any of its babies as breeders, and replace that rat with the offspring of another really good rat.

As for food, a rat raised on a staple of rodent pellets/cubes,lab blocks will do far better, grow better and be more efficient at raising babies, than a rat raised on a pet shop mix, or horse feed and dog feed etc. The food is made specifically for rats to keep them in peak condition. If your rats don't do well unless you supplement them with dog food and caviar (haha), then you have genetically crap rats and they are probably wasting your resources. Good brands include Cummins (McManus rodent food), and Lauke Mills rodent food.

Pet shop mixes are the equivalent of feeding wood shavings and mars bars. They don't eat any of the lucerne (green stuff), and the other bits are not a healthy diet so your rat won't be in peak condition for getting you the most out of the time and money you put in.
 
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I did it for the enjoyment and experience of it and certainly think you should give it a go as well but found long term it was easier for me to buy in bulk. I bought my first lot from a pet shop but then went through a breeder for for more. I set up a 5 tub rack of reasonably sized tubs and kept four females (one per tub) and two males (one tub) and then had a two tub rack of larger tubs for grow out tubs (one male and one female). I also tried all different foods from dog biscuits to biomare horse food to specialised rat cubes and did not find massive differences but thought the rat cubes were slightly better(Lauke Mills).
 
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1 female will give you about 12 babies every 3-6 weeks if she is healthy and a good mum.
 
I may look into petstore or local breeder ones. I still plan on buying 6months worth of frozens but would like to breed say 1 male and 3 females so I can buy less for the next 6 months. To see how breeding goes.

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i think you would be better off using 2 males and 6 females . put 1 male and 3 females per tub [ i use a 50lt tub]
i seperate the mums from the rest of the other rats .
 
If you tried each of those foods long term over multiple generations, you would notice a difference.

The difference will come after your breeders have come from parents raised on a quality diet, and they have babies when they have been eating a quality diet.

Rats are easily stunted when going through early development, with a mother who isn't in peak condition, and from them going onto an undesirable diet when weaned. Changing diets to something better won't necessarily make all your rats suddenly reach their full potential, but over generations you should see a significant improvement in growth rates, health and maximum size reached, as well as reproductive success. So long as you are also practicing good selection as well, and not breeding genetically sickly crappy mum rats :p
 
There is no need to have more than 1 male with a small group of females. You are just wasting resources. He will get the job done :p If he doesn't then there could be an issue with the male (they can vary in libido or be completely sterile), or an issue with the female's fertility. Either way, if this is the case you would want to completely replace the rat in question, and not use any offspring he did happen to produce (if it is an issue of libido being poor but still able to reproduce).
I have had a lineage of rats that just would not mate, and I would get a litter every few months despite them being paired up constantly. The only reason I pursued was because they had a special mutation that I couldn't get anywhere else at the time.
 
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I don't know if this should be in another thread but [MENTION=23235]ingie[/MENTION] I've got a question that I wanted to ask for a while and you might be able to help. Have you ever tried experimenting with selecting for gender ratios? I've searched online but can’t seem to find anything. Would it be possible to end up with a line that produces predominantly males or females or is something like that not “selectable”?
 
Some "basic facts" gestation time for a rat in good condition is 21 days, they will come into season "imediately after giving birth and cycle (come into season) and every 96hrs/4 days after that so it "may" pay to plan where your male needs to be. cheers solar 17
 
I don't know if this should be in another thread but [MENTION=23235]ingie[/MENTION] I've got a question that I wanted to ask for a while and you might be able to help. Have you ever tried experimenting with selecting for gender ratios? I've searched online but can’t seem to find anything. Would it be possible to end up with a line that produces predominantly males or females or is something like that not “selectable”?
No . Given a large enough sample the sexes born will be 50:50 with mammals, however that may not what is weaned as males are normally more aggressive than females.
 
It would not be advantageous for mammals, if it were possible to select for different sex ratios. This could lead to there being only one sex in an area, and extinction. I don't know any specific facts, but I feel the answer would be that it is not possible.
 
Alright no worries thanks [MENTION=1408]wokka[/MENTION] and [MENTION=23235]ingie[/MENTION]. I know natural selection wouldn’t allow it but considering the amount of modification that can be achieved with artificial selection, I thought it might be possible.
 
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