Fishing is cruel ??

[Snake Catcher Victoria]

Fishermen in general are gentle souls who try to minimise the pain on the fish by removing hooks and dipatching the fish quickly.
The idea that the average fisherman is cruel because he wants to catch a feed a feed or practice the catch and release which has become popular is just crazy.
There are examples of cruelty in the fishing indusry, eg, the bycatch that can be called cruel but the definition of cruelty, if you look it up , does not relate to to average fisherman who loves his sport and tries to help his environment by picking up rubbish and gettiing involved in political decisions that affect the waters he fishes in.
Without the voice of the average fisherman the governments would have a field day with out bays and estuaries.

 

[mungus]

What next.
I will always fish and hunt.
I catch and release 95%.
Mainly bream, flathead, Bass, trout etc [ Even the odd Jewie ]
Even picky with what I release an arrow into as well.
These people who push these issues have to much time on their hands !!
Whats next ??? No Rats or Mice for our Snakes ??
We'll feed them carrots I think......................

 

[Vat69]

Whats next ??? No Rats or Mice for our Snakes ??
We'll feed them carrots I think......................

Yep, those are two completely comparable practices.

 

[cris]

Fishermen in general are gentle souls who try to minimise the pain on the fish by removing hooks and dipatching the fish quickly.
The idea that the average fisherman is cruel because he wants to catch a feed a feed or practice the catch and release which has become popular is just crazy.
There are examples of cruelty in the fishing indusry, eg, the bycatch that can be called cruel but the definition of cruelty, if you look it up , does not relate to to average fisherman who loves his sport and tries to help his environment by picking up rubbish and gettiing involved in political decisions that affect the waters he fishes in.
Without the voice of the average fisherman the governments would have a field day with out bays and estuaries.

Baz would you have a problem with someone catching tiger snakes on fishing hooks as recreation? or using snakes as live bait instead of fish(i have heard they are good bait, not joking)?

If you do have a problem with this, how is it any differant to someone calling someone cruel for doing the same to a fish?

 

[Snake Catcher Victoria]

To grow carrots on a commercial scale you would need to clear the land and use chemical.
These could be considered cruel practices as well as animals will be affected by this.

We'll feed them carrots I think......................

Crazy argument when there is so much real cruelty happening all around us..
Fishing, when done properly and respectfully should not be considered a cruel sport/pastime.

Baz would you have a problem with someone catching tiger snakes on fishing hooks as recreation? or using snakes as live bait instead of fish(i have heard they are good bait, not joking)?

Yes, tiger snakes are protected and there is no need to use them for bait..
I have a problem with real cruelty

 

[waruikazi]

Baz would you have a problem with someone catching tiger snakes on fishing hooks as recreation? or using snakes as live bait instead of fish(i have heard they are good bait, not joking)?

If you do have a problem with this, how is it any differant to someone calling someone cruel for doing the same to a fish?

I'm not saying that catching fish with hook and line isn't cruel but that comparison doesn't stand real well. You can catch a snake without using hooks alot easier than you can catch a fish without hooks. In alot of cases hook and line is the easiest, safest and most eco friendly option.

 

[Dave]

this is a joke right???:shock:
there is nothing wrong with fishn!!
so gettn hooked in the mouth and then released is worse then being gaught in a trawl net and dragged along the sea bed 100m down for the next hour is OK 'cause it's for food????
go figure!
wake up you bloody wowsers!:evil:
would love to see one of these twits come down and try and tell me I can't go fishn 'cause it's cruel.:evil:
and what about the sport fishing and charter business' in the industry?, what they just go find other jobs do they?
what happens to the tackle shops?
are these wowsers gunna start taking on these suddenly unemployed people?
if these tree huggn animal lovn wowsers have their way, we are all gunna be eatn tofu at xmas instead of the turkey! mmmmmsounds great!
the catch and release push over the last decade or so has literally saved alot of fishing habitats from over fishing.

I agree with everything you said..

 

[jack]

fishing is cruel....
in the last 48 hours my brother has caught 3 yellow belly, a catfish, and some cod (all got put back).... and i didnt even land the bloody carp i fought to the bank...

 

[Cheyne_Jones]

They are dreaming if they think they will stop people from fishing, I really cant say I know a sport fisherman that would give up their passion just because the government said so...

If the RSPCA is supporting this I would re-think they way i view their organisation big time...

 

[cris]

I'm not saying that catching fish with hook and line isn't cruel but that comparison doesn't stand real well. You can catch a snake without using hooks alot easier than you can catch a fish without hooks. In alot of cases hook and line is the easiest, safest and most eco friendly option.

That isnt relevant to the point i was trying to make, consider the bait example only if you are only interested in practical examples. The example was in relation to the level of cruelty, whether something is legal or sustainable has nothing to do with cruelty.

 

[Vat69]

this is a joke right???:shock:
there is nothing wrong with fishn!!
so gettn hooked in the mouth and then released is worse then being gaught in a trawl net and dragged along the sea bed 100m down for the next hour is OK 'cause it's for food????
go figure!

Perhaps you'd like to go and read up on the papers have that been written on the sensory receptors of fish and how these relate to the arguments put forward by the bodies which wish to ban fishing. It might clarify some things for you.

and what about the sport fishing and charter business' in the industry?, what they just go find other jobs do they?
what happens to the tackle shops?
are these wowsers gunna start taking on these suddenly unemployed people?
if these tree huggn animal lovn wowsers have their way, we are all gunna be eatn tofu at xmas instead of the turkey! mmmmmsounds great!
the catch and release push over the last decade or so has literally saved alot of fishing habitats from over fishing.

Overreact much? Many many people go through multiple career changes throughout their working lives. Using this logic we should keep all hunting practices regardless of if they are deemed cruel and/or un-necessary purely so that jobs can be created? India has a population problem, perhaps all these prospective un-employed types could set up a culling business.
And yes, down with all you dirty animal lovers,especially those who advocate the humane treatment of livestock! Clearly everyone who enjoys eating bean-curd is a puritanical killjoy.

Finally, l2 English.

 

[Snake Catcher Victoria]

That isnt relevant to the point i was trying to make, consider the bait example only if you are only interested in practical examples. The example was in relation to the level of cruelty, whether something is legal or sustainable has nothing to do with cruelty.

ok, the tiger snake to be used is dipatched humanely, painlessly and quickly then used to catch a fish , which is treated with the same consideration, this is not cruelty imo or as defined by all the dictionaries.

 

[caustichumor]

But even tofu munchers contribute to animal death and suffering. combine harvesters and modern agricultural machinery don't fare to well for any small animals living within the crops. They merely get turned into fertilizer.

 

[waruikazi]

That isnt relevant to the point i was trying to make, consider the bait example only if you are only interested in practical examples. The example was in relation to the level of cruelty, whether something is legal or sustainable has nothing to do with cruelty.

Well in that case, i have caught snakes incidentally on fishing hooks, once removed they seem just fine. If i thought it was sustainable and i was gonna get better results than using mullet i would certainly consider anything for live bait.

 

[Vat69]

But even tofu munchers contribute to animal death and suffering. combine harvesters and modern agricultural machinery don't fare to well for any small animals living within the crops. They merely get turned into fertilizer.

Perhaps I wasn't being clear :lol:
The original poster I quoted over-generalisationed and included irrelevant hyperboles which I wished to poke a little fun at by doing the same thing. The reasons behind eating tofu are irrelevant

 

[cris]

ok, the tiger snake to be used is dipatched humanely, painlessly and quickly then used to catch a fish , which is treated with the same consideration, this is not cruelty imo or as defined by all the dictionaries.

I was meaning using live snakes as bait as opposed to live fish. What im trying to point out is that many on this site would have much more empathy for snakes than a "normal" person, another person has as much right to have the same empathy for fish.

 

[JasonL]

Most aspects of life is cruel in some respects....
First off; you need to understand that different animals have different levels of pain, some animals live with things that look painfull to us on a daily basis..
I once hooked the same fish on two lines at once, I have also been busted off by a fish only to catch the same fish two casts later (with my other hook firmly in it's jaw and both live baits hanging out it gob). Large fish are used to getting a mouthful of spikes every time they eat smaller ones.
I am against "trophy fishing" esp for sharks, catch and release fishing does not worry me at all, but killing something un-edible for a weight is just wrong, I am also against catch and kill comp fishing, even if they are edible species
As far as trying to stop rec fishing, whether it sport of not, it's just not going to happen, the amount of money coming out of the hobby is massive, and the sport is enjoyed by a high percentage of the community at some level.

 

[anguskennedy]

Finally, l2 English.

Haha well put Vat69

Of course fishing is cruel, there are multiple papers demonstrating the complex sensory systems of fish, they feel pain just like any other living creature. Just because they do not have the same range of movement available to demonstrate their pain does not mean they are not feeling it.

As someone else said, I dont think any of the survey options suit me. Banning fishing is an impossible task. I think that technology to assist with the humane euthanasia of fish that are caught should be a focus of time and money from interested animal welfare groups. Bashing / suffocation to kill fish is NOT humane.

So perhaps we should be working towards educating fishermen and providing them with simple systems to help them treat the animals they are catching for food in a more ethical manner.

Surely the fish deserve a little respect, having given up their lives just for you to have a meal.

Having said all that, I am a pretty keen fisherman, I only do catch and release (however I dont see a problem with eating them as long as they are abundant), but each time I go out i find myself having more trouble justifying the pain im causing the fish just for the selfish pleasure of having a look at them. I wish they made pain-free hooks!

 

[waruikazi]

Well in that case, i have caught snakes incidentally on fishing hooks, once removed they seem just fine. If i thought it was sustainable and i was gonna get better results than using mullet i would certainly consider anything for live bait.

Actually no i don't think i would use a live snake or lizard or mammal of any kind. I think i'd stop at frogs as live bait, everything else would have to be killed first.

 

[scorps]

You forgot spear fishing, I love that