JackTheHerper
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Thoughts on BSL? Fair or not.
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unfair
Errr... What's BSL?
Oh I see. In that case. Unfair. Bad pets (dogs) (no matter what the breed) usually stem from bad owners/treatment.
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Extremely unfair. It targets the wrong end of the leash..
bohdi13
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i think that it is completely rediculous and i am completely against the racism of pitbulls and other animals that usually get racism. i want pitbulls to be legal and bred in australia. i like pitbulls so much that i am getting a blue american staffordshire when we move just to replicate having a pitbull and having a close relative.
bohdi13
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sadly a family member of mine passed away around two years ago and he had a few american pitbulls and he bred them. going back over to SA this weekend and will see what ended up happening with the dogs, it would be good to have a puppy from one of his dogs.
nintendont
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My girl is a pedigree amstaff.......
Her grandfather is an american import, in his line there are dual registrations for amstaff and pit. Its not fair to deem a dog dangerous by its breed. Some dogs are human agressive but not simply because of their breed and not the entire breed. We are against discrimination here and have anti discrimination laws to uphold it, we also have a law that discriminates against animals based on their breed alone, its like racial discrimination!
I've met some nasty little mutts in my time and pittys are lower on the list of dog attacks than more commonly kept breeds.
Its because they are bigger and have a stronger bite strength that they have gained a bad rep but all the pittys I have met have been big babies.
Bull breeds are keen to please their masters, they look upon you for guidance and need to be well trained, the problem lies with bad owners training their dogs to attack, not having proper control over their dogs or worse mistreating dogs to use as fighting dogs or bait dogs.
Most human aggressive bull breeds have been mistreated and are scared of people therefore they end up with the mentality of I'm going to hurt you so you cant hurt me.
Her grandfather is an american import, in his line there are dual registrations for amstaff and pit. Its not fair to deem a dog dangerous by its breed. Some dogs are human agressive but not simply because of their breed and not the entire breed. We are against discrimination here and have anti discrimination laws to uphold it, we also have a law that discriminates against animals based on their breed alone, its like racial discrimination!
I've met some nasty little mutts in my time and pittys are lower on the list of dog attacks than more commonly kept breeds.
Its because they are bigger and have a stronger bite strength that they have gained a bad rep but all the pittys I have met have been big babies.
Bull breeds are keen to please their masters, they look upon you for guidance and need to be well trained, the problem lies with bad owners training their dogs to attack, not having proper control over their dogs or worse mistreating dogs to use as fighting dogs or bait dogs.
Most human aggressive bull breeds have been mistreated and are scared of people therefore they end up with the mentality of I'm going to hurt you so you cant hurt me.
JackTheHerper
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Couldn't have been said any better.
disintegratus
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On what grounds?
BSL is completely unreasonable. A knee-jerk reaction of the kind we have come to expect from our government, which has no basis in fact, and does nothing to stop dog bite incidents, or to stop bad pets being bred. All it does is shift the problem. Pitbulls have an image as a "tough" dog, so to ban them will only stop the law-abiding lovers of the breed. Those who want a "tough" dog, and those who treat their dogs in such a manner so they become "tough" will not be deterred by BSL. Worst case scenario, they move on to a new breed. It's happened before to several breeds: German Shepherds, Rottweilers and Dobermanns have all had the same stigma attached to them over the years. Luckily there have been enough true lovers of these breeds to ensure that they have come through the other side of it relatively intact. I only hope the same will prove true for Pitbulls. As for BSL, it has been tried in countless countries with only one thing in common: IT HAS FAILED IN EVERY SINGLE ONE. Google the "Calvary Model" to find a model that actually works. Based on education, teaching PEOPLE how to interact safely with dogs, because you cannot guarantee that every person has taught their dog how to safely interact with people.
Let's see how long this thread lasts before it dissolves into the usual excrement-storm and gets closed or deleted
JackTheHerper
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I hope it doesn't turn into a storm, just wanted to discuss with who ever was against/for BSL about it, And see some love for the breeds
Sometimes people get angry when they dont have a valid argument and it gets torn to shreds in an eloquent and respectful manner, so with no reply left and in a rage they turn to name calling and derogatory terms. This is when the skies turn grey and the proverbial storm occurs
Hopefully everybody has their grownup hats on and it doesn't come to that.... then again it is Saturday night and this is APS
Hopefully everybody has their grownup hats on and it doesn't come to that.... then again it is Saturday night and this is APS
disintegratus
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Sometimes people get angry when they dont have a valid argument and it gets torn to shreds in an eloquent and respectful manner, so with no reply left and in a rage they turn to name calling and derogatory terms. This is when the skies turn grey and the proverbial storm occurs
Hopefully everybody has their grownup hats on and it doesn't come to that.... then again it is Saturday night and this is APS
I think you mean when the skies turn brown...
I think you mean when the skies turn brown...
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sd1981
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Unfair..I want to start off by saying that this is my opinion only and that not all Bull Terrier breed owners are irresponsible or abusive toward their dogs, far from it...
As a former registered breeder of English Bull Terriers, I saw plenty of unjust negativity towards my breed for what could only be described as public ignorance. People telling me off for walking my "pitty" down the street, for not muzzling my "pit bull" and being told off for having a dog that would kill someone's kids, it was just a "matter of time"... Blatant ignorance... As we all know, education is the key... Unfortunately, for many people, having a dog with a fearsome reputation is key for them to be seen as a big man etc. These people are usually the same people who will revv up a dog at feeding time, hit them to get them agro, post footage of the dog going crazy on youtube and then be seen on Today Tonight or ACA saying that their dog, which mauled a 3 year old was such a big sook and had never shown any signs of aggression toward anything...
I do not and cannot blame the dogs at all when these things happen, all responsibility must fall back on the owner completely... Any animal has the potential to have an adverse turn, unfortunately for the various Bull Terrier breeds, their strength and high pain threshold, both traits that they were originally bred for, has caused them to be targets of both douchbags who won't respect their power and also politicians who would rather destroy an entire breed instead of creating and enforcing harsher penalties for the people who abuse these animals... I do get the pollies reasons for wanting these breeds gone..although it is a well established fact that smaller dogs attack people and other animals on a much more regular basis, the damage done is generally less, due to less strength and smaller mouths and teeth etc. When a powerful breed such as a Bull terrier or Mastiff takes a bite, they are harder to comtrol, harder to remove from the victim and they take out larger chunks.....
As a former registered breeder of English Bull Terriers, I saw plenty of unjust negativity towards my breed for what could only be described as public ignorance. People telling me off for walking my "pitty" down the street, for not muzzling my "pit bull" and being told off for having a dog that would kill someone's kids, it was just a "matter of time"... Blatant ignorance... As we all know, education is the key... Unfortunately, for many people, having a dog with a fearsome reputation is key for them to be seen as a big man etc. These people are usually the same people who will revv up a dog at feeding time, hit them to get them agro, post footage of the dog going crazy on youtube and then be seen on Today Tonight or ACA saying that their dog, which mauled a 3 year old was such a big sook and had never shown any signs of aggression toward anything...
I do not and cannot blame the dogs at all when these things happen, all responsibility must fall back on the owner completely... Any animal has the potential to have an adverse turn, unfortunately for the various Bull Terrier breeds, their strength and high pain threshold, both traits that they were originally bred for, has caused them to be targets of both douchbags who won't respect their power and also politicians who would rather destroy an entire breed instead of creating and enforcing harsher penalties for the people who abuse these animals... I do get the pollies reasons for wanting these breeds gone..although it is a well established fact that smaller dogs attack people and other animals on a much more regular basis, the damage done is generally less, due to less strength and smaller mouths and teeth etc. When a powerful breed such as a Bull terrier or Mastiff takes a bite, they are harder to comtrol, harder to remove from the victim and they take out larger chunks.....
SarahScales
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The term 'pit bull' includes American Staffordshire Terrier, the
Staffy Bull Terrier and the least common of the three, the American Pit Bull Terrier. However in Australia, they are all 90% crosses of all three breeds, we actually have very few true pit bulls. The reason pit bulls seem to get targeted is their dog fighting ring basis, the majority of litters bred outside of the ANKC are bred to go into fighting pits due to their durability and ease of aggression. Yes, a good deal of the pit bulls that have been backyard bred have a nasty disposition, as that is the way they are bred and raised. Temperament in dogs is somewhat hereditary but is mostly overridden by the way they are brought up.
When I was 11, I lived on a farm and my neighbors kids had dumped two pit bulls off 'on the farm' as they were too aggressive for suburbia. Unfortunately due to the pack mentality of the pair, I was unlucky enough to get caught out and attacked by the pair in my front yard whilst playing with my toys. They stalked me through the fence, found a way in and I was bitten numerous times. However it was dismissed as I was young and both my parents and the neighbors assumed I had taunted them. Less than a year later, the same pair of dogs broke through our gate, chased my large Labrador cross Kelpie to our house, broke down our front door and hunted her into my bedroom and killed her on my bedroom floor. They literally ripped out her throat and she bled out on the carpet. My parents and I were at the stables at this time and I found her roughly an hour later. The blood literally soaked through our carpet, the underlay and into our wooden floors, not to mention what was on the ceiling and walls. It was an aggressive, territorial and gruesome act.
Despite all of this, I still am not biased against the entire breed. The issue is the 'tough guy' image perpetrated by these dogs. They are raised being taught that aggression is good behavior until it is turned onto a human and they get put down. It's not fair to the breed and its not fair to the dogs. In my opinion there should be policed licensing of known 'aggressive' breeds such as the pitbull. Similar to a vens license. Dogs that have been line bred for aggression so long come with certain responsibilities in my opinion and only those willing and capable should be allowed to keep them.
That is only my opinion though and it has been shaped by my experiences with the breed. I train dogs in obedience and agility and have seen plenty of very sweet staffies and pitties. It's a shame the breed has developed this way and its not their fault. But something has to slow the backyard breeders down. After all, pit bulls won't be such a status symbol if you can't have them hanging off the back of your ute.
Staffy Bull Terrier and the least common of the three, the American Pit Bull Terrier. However in Australia, they are all 90% crosses of all three breeds, we actually have very few true pit bulls. The reason pit bulls seem to get targeted is their dog fighting ring basis, the majority of litters bred outside of the ANKC are bred to go into fighting pits due to their durability and ease of aggression. Yes, a good deal of the pit bulls that have been backyard bred have a nasty disposition, as that is the way they are bred and raised. Temperament in dogs is somewhat hereditary but is mostly overridden by the way they are brought up.
When I was 11, I lived on a farm and my neighbors kids had dumped two pit bulls off 'on the farm' as they were too aggressive for suburbia. Unfortunately due to the pack mentality of the pair, I was unlucky enough to get caught out and attacked by the pair in my front yard whilst playing with my toys. They stalked me through the fence, found a way in and I was bitten numerous times. However it was dismissed as I was young and both my parents and the neighbors assumed I had taunted them. Less than a year later, the same pair of dogs broke through our gate, chased my large Labrador cross Kelpie to our house, broke down our front door and hunted her into my bedroom and killed her on my bedroom floor. They literally ripped out her throat and she bled out on the carpet. My parents and I were at the stables at this time and I found her roughly an hour later. The blood literally soaked through our carpet, the underlay and into our wooden floors, not to mention what was on the ceiling and walls. It was an aggressive, territorial and gruesome act.
Despite all of this, I still am not biased against the entire breed. The issue is the 'tough guy' image perpetrated by these dogs. They are raised being taught that aggression is good behavior until it is turned onto a human and they get put down. It's not fair to the breed and its not fair to the dogs. In my opinion there should be policed licensing of known 'aggressive' breeds such as the pitbull. Similar to a vens license. Dogs that have been line bred for aggression so long come with certain responsibilities in my opinion and only those willing and capable should be allowed to keep them.
That is only my opinion though and it has been shaped by my experiences with the breed. I train dogs in obedience and agility and have seen plenty of very sweet staffies and pitties. It's a shame the breed has developed this way and its not their fault. But something has to slow the backyard breeders down. After all, pit bulls won't be such a status symbol if you can't have them hanging off the back of your ute.
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