Boa Constrictor in Geelong

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  1. beastcreature

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    Moosenoose, you've mirrored my point of view. I'm pro hunting, I feel vegetarianism is a cute concept though flawed in it's logic but these psychopaths that openly brag about the fulfilment they get from torturing feral animals is a really sick display.
     
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    If I was around 150+ years ago I would have damn well tried.
     
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    So for you dog & cat numbers are at a point of no return while exotic reptiles are not here in any kind of mass, is that what you're saying?
    I'm sure 150 years ago us caucasians would have struggled without the help of domestic animals hence why we utilized them in the first place.
     
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    couldn't the same be said about jags, zebras, albino bhps? These were all smuggled back into the country... and we already can keep exotic reptiles.... exotic gtps?


    out dated licensing system with out dated laws

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    keeping local fauna outside of its natural range in Australia is still an exotic reptile to the area and poses the same risk of establishing feral populations as ''illegal'' exotics, actually they probably poses a higher risk due to chance of cross breeding.
     
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    While you are sorting through that one don't forget the Camels and the Dingo's. The latter having been here 18,000 years but still ferral. Animals don't come here by choice they are brought here by the other ferral species.....US.
    Why should the animal suffer the death sentence when the people who bring them in walk away to do it all again?
    Maybe the person bringing the Boa into the country misidentified it as a Retic??
     
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    Oh how I'm giggling to myself today : )
     
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    How many articles do you see of boas and exotics being found? Almost zero. How many exotics do snake catchers find? They do pop up but not many. I think Australia is doing well when it comes to exotics. go for a bush walk and you don't see exotics, that's a good sign. People on here make out like its an out of control problem. It's pretty funny. What ever you have that's controlled people any where on the planet will still deal them.

    Most of the exotic keepers iv seen keep their exotics in perfect condition, the animals look healthy and they never lose any animals. Other people on the other hand keep natives by the law with no exotics and their enclosures are messy they just leave them and their animals aren't that healthy. I'm not encouraging keeping them and I wouldn't keep any because iv got animals on books I don't want to loss them. But marble and albino children's look just as good and there is some money in them at the moment, so I won't be keeping any corns or boas but the people iv seen keeping them, keep them in great condition and respect the animals, they aren't going any where.

    But like I said I think Australia is doing well when it comes to everything prohibited. drugs, guns everything is here but it's not that bad and we are dealing human beings and you get people breaking the law. You can't expect a country to be Completely honest and pure when human beings are involved. But Australia is doing as well as can over all I think. If you think it's too corrupt here maybe you'd prefer a less corrupt place, like... i don't know brazil? Or maybe England, in the next 50 years I'm sure will be awesome for you...
     
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    thats a retic from Malaysia not a boa and not where it belongs
     
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    Oh the irony :)
     
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    Only one in Geelong?.. Oh the horror
     
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    Well done! You picked up on my sneaky!

    It's actually me and a Retic from the KL Zoo taken in early '09.

    It's good to know that while some people are fear mongering and hyping up already misinformed, unproven, and never documented imaginary figures to advocate for some new citizenships; that there are some people who actually know what is what and from where.

    The last two days on this forum have made me smile like never before

    *insert evil villian laugh*
     
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    Well one found anyway ;)
     
  13. I see the logic behind this unfortunately once someone is legally owning an exotic, and they post photos etc the demand for this species will increase and more exotics will be brought into the country
     
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    most exotics are actually bred here but a few probably came in with the jags and zebras but that's ok they are native, right?
     
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    Thats a bit of a different argument. If you break it down, yes the gene is exotic, but the breed is native. The original Coastals the jag gene came from - even though it was overseas - is a native species.
    Boa's and Corn Snakes simply do not belong in this country.
    Release a snake carrying the jag gene into the environment, and aside from changing a few locale paint jobs - the eco system will suffer no negative impact as the are a native species. OR they will simply not survive.
    Release a bunch of Boa's and you've got an entirely severe problem with your eco system.

    Just because yes they are here, it doesn't mean there should be any reason to reconsider a legal stance on their existence in the country.
    Deciding to legalize them is just going to give a green light to every other smuggler bringing in every other kind of exotic species.
    It's telling them that if they flood the market, we'll cave and change laws. That is eco-terrorism my friend.

    "The snake is the one who suffers" is not a valid arguement. It shouldn't exist in the first place so taking it out changes nothing.
     
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    Saying it gives smugglers the green light to bring in other animals is another stretch. Do you think they have an unwritten code on what they might be currently bringing in?

    BTW I'm glad we have exotic reptiles banned here, as long as they don't start banning Macaws & some of those exotic fish species I keep, but when people continue to harp on about biosecurity & reptiles being the problem....then I start to wonder where this rant is coming from.
     
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    The snake has just as much of a right to be here as you do :)

    What do YOU think would actually happen if boas were released into the Aussie bush? (I'd bet this has happened before anyway, still waiting for a "retics in the Everglades" type situation)
     
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    I was just saying the whole bio security argument is bs as most are from c/b animals that have been in Australia for multiple generations. If exotics don't belonging here and we shouldn't be allowed to keep exotic reptiles because of the ''risks'' then why are we legally allowed to keep exotic GTP? has that given every smuggler a green light?
     
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    Take that argument of "oh bio security is all a bunch of b/s" to DECC/DERM/NPWS/DEPI and see what they say.
    Bio security is all about not letting things into the natural system - such as from captive collections. Where numbers are far more concentrated.

    Exotic gtp's are legally kept here, as unless you see them as hatchies about the only way to tell where one is from is through DNA - I'd love to turf them out of this country too btw...

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    According to Australian law; No, no they don't.

    I would think the biggest impact they would have would be habitat displacement, competition of food source and and adverse impact on eco-chains(ability to take bigger prey key to local biocycles ect.)

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    No of course there's no code, but if they realize we don't care about one exotic species whats to stop them bringing in ANY other en masse?

    And I agree that reptiles aren't the only problem, but they're in there with mammals, birds, fish, the whole lot.
     
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    yes the bio security argument of bring in new disease is all a bunch of bs because most exotics available are from animals that have been here for multiple generations...

    Clearly you know very little about GTPs but legalising them hasn't open a huge flood gate of smuggled animals, no feral populations of exotic GTPs? no new diseases introduced? yes some exotics could have devastating effects ie green iguanas but some would pose very little if any risk varanus prasinus for example.
     
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