John Howard new laws

[salebrosus]

thats rite but the problem hasbeen there for a long time and
now sudenly hes gunna fix it?
the timing seems to be jst rite

Who cares about timing? ALL politicians pull stunts before elections- why should this election be any different.

How would you feel to be a woman in that community? How would you feel if that was your daughter or son being violated.

Didn't anyone hear the Aboriginal Leader today ripping into people bagging out Howard's move on this. Media were screaming for something to be done.....some one has attempted to fix it now there screaming about his attempt. No one else has put an idea forward on to how to help that community. Should've been done sooner but better now than later.

Simone.

 

[Midol]

why should it be higher? should it be addressed ONLY if its higher?
imo DOCS (any welfare agency) have alot to answer for in any community, very very poor record)

If it isn't higher why are non aborigine communities not facing the same restrictions, the banning of alcohol and x-rated porn?

It's racist

 

[Midol]

Who cares about timing? ALL politicians pull stunts before elections- why should this election be any different.

How would you feel to be a woman in that community? How would you feel if that was your daughter or son being violated.

Didn't anyone hear the Aboriginal Leader today ripping into people bagging out Howard's move on this. Media were screaming for something to be done.....some one has attempted to fix it now there screaming about his attempt. No one else has put an idea forward on to how to help that community. Should've been done sooner but better now than later.

Simone.

Ohhh. Removing alcohol and porn from alcohols will greatly improve the situation....

It makes a whole load of sense... You obviously don't know any alcoholics.

 

[salebrosus]

Ohhh. Removing alcohol and porn from alcohols will greatly improve the situation....

It makes a whole load of sense... You obviously don't know any alcoholics.

Yeah i do- i lived with one. His family tried everything accept the forceable removal of alcohol. At least its a start.

Are you addicted to calling people racists? Because nobody has said anything or done anything remotely racist.

Simone.

 

[Felix]

If it isn't higher why are non aborigine communities not facing the same restrictions, the banning of alcohol and x-rated porn?

It's racist

good questions, re the porn, i have no idea, maybe fred nile is behind it, or arch bishop pell???makes little sense.
re alcohol prohibition, its to be seen to "do something" pre-election imo. As far as the wider Australian public is concerned, itll never happen because alcohol tax is big $$$. Simple!

 

[junglist*]

Yeah i do- i lived with one. His family tried everything accept the forceable removal of alcohol. At least its a start.

Are you addicted to calling people racists? Because nobody has said anything or done anything remotely racist.

Simone.

Except for the entire thrust of the legislative effort to remove alcohol and pron from these communities. There is NO similar effort in non-indigenous communities. Therefore, this policy can quite clearly be labeled a racially discriminatory policy, aka racist.

The motivation behind the effort is to be commended, EXCEPT for the fact that the problem has been known for such a long time now, that to see anything in it except for politically motivated point scoring is naive and willfully blind.

Does noone realise that the forced removal of alcohol WILL NOT WORK??? prohibition has not worked anywhere in the world to date, SO WHY WOULD IT WORK NOW???


Kava has been used in NT communities as a replacement to the alcohol, and while you cannot stop people choosing to be drug addicted, the violence rates in these communities have dropped so dramatically, that although the rates of substance addictions till remain high, the levels of addiction related violence have dropped to nearly non-existant levels.

Alcohol is a drug which, to the extent of our knowledge, is one of the ONLY drugs which for an addict to go cold turkey from IS 100% lethal. The brain cannot handle it, it is not a psychological issue, but a physiological issue, A drunk going cold turkey will DIE.

Howard's a clever political operator, but this policy is so transparent, that not only will it have about -45% chance of actually succeeding, (approximate only, rate the fact that howard obviously care's about nothing but being seen to do something, irrespective of its chance of success, and the fact that prohibition has had a 0% effective rate across the globe with every single substance which has ever been prohibited) chance of actually succeeding,

 

[Midol]

A racist will always deny being racist johnbowemonie, I don't expect you to see you are being racist.

When white men first came to Australia and treated aboriginals poorly they thought they were right and it wasn't racist as well...

 

[salebrosus]

A racist will always deny being racist johnbowemonie, I don't expect you to see you are being racist.

When white men first came to Australia and treated aboriginals poorly they thought they were right and it wasn't racist as well...

hahahaha They should consider themselves they have breed left- if the French or other races landed here there would be no black fellas left.

Where did i say anything racist Midol. You would no a racist if one insulted you. All is aid was that at least the Government is trying something. You really are a narrow minded little tosser aren't you?

Simone.

 

[nuthn2do]

Alcohol is a drug which, to the extent of our knowledge, is one of the ONLY drugs which for an addict to go cold turkey from IS 100% lethal. The brain cannot handle it, it is not a psychological issue, but a physiological issue, A drunk going cold turkey will DIE.

Hear this on the news? :lol: It can be dangerous agreed, but far from 100% lethal

 

[Midol]

hahahaha They should consider themselves they have breed left- if the French or other races landed here there would be no black fellas left.

Where did i say anything racist Midol. You would no a racist if one insulted you. All is aid was that at least the Government is trying something. You really are a narrow minded little tosser aren't you?

Simone.

Errr... No idea what you were trying to say in your first line but if you are trying to say aboriginals are lucky that we invaded then you're a worry. How old are you?

Scenario 1: All NT aboriginal communities have alcohol and porn banned due to child abuse problems.
Scenario 2: All communities in the NT with child abuse problems have alcohol and porn banned due to child abuse problems.

Child abuse is not more prevelent in aboriginal communities than other white communities (in low socio-economic areas). These rules target, prejiduce, based on race. Scenario 1 is racist. Scenario 2 is not.

Not to mention it won't work.

 

[salebrosus]

Errr... No idea what you were trying to say in your first line but if you are trying to say aboriginals are lucky that we invaded then you're a worry.

.

Firstly how old are you? Secondly history has shown every country has been invaded by somone, New Zealand, England, Asia, South America etc. AND alot of these countries that were invaded had their original inhabitants wiped out- that didn't happen here. They still have a culture they can cling to etc. This country was settled over 200 years ago. Get over it!
While your bitching about these laws- what are your alternatives?

Simone.

 

[Felix]

Imo crying "racism" is what got us to this point in the first place, we are now more 'racist' toward non aboriginal/torres straight islanders imo!
The whole 'racist' card is tired and old, regardless what color your skin is, you are either an australian or your not, simple as that!
The biggest mistake and most racist action was bending over and giving them the right to tribal law yet allowing them to partake in white society.
Either your an australian and live by australian law, or you go tribal (totally) and live by tribal law, but having allowed such segregation how do you enforce it without creating tribal ghettos reminiscent of american indian reserves?
Australia has to decide if we are truley one people or two. Can we not respect Australian culture
and aboriginal culture and agree on fair and equitable law for all?
you cant have your cake AND eat it, proof of this is the current situation in remote communitys, trying to live by tribal law but within white culture, its never worked, it never will!

 

[Tetras]

Some would argue that targeting only indiginous communities in NT is a form of racism.

Yet its very clear that the aboriginees in NT are in dire need of assistance from the government even if they dont like it.

Aborginal spokespersons have gone public and said that John Howard is not trying to help them... he's trying to steal their land from them... HOW??

Iv heard also that the aboriginess are shutting off climbs on uluru in protest to this racist act...

I honestly think that the people in NT that this policy is designed to help just dont want their drunk molestering lives to end. they are happy and who can blame them for being angry about someone trying to change their lives.
I mean you are all happy with your snakes... imagine if you werent aloud to keep snakes anymore...

 

[salebrosus]

I mean you are all happy with your snakes... imagine if you werent aloud to keep snakes anymore...

Yeah but not raping chldren to keep snakes.

Simone.

 

[junglist*]

Hear this on the news? :lol: It can be dangerous agreed, but far from 100% lethal

Nope im a forensic chemist.

The lethality has to do with the length of time the brain has been wet for, and the level of continual intoxication.

Sure someone with an alcohol problem may not die going cold turkey, that is having a binge drinking problem, but being a drunk, someone who wakes up during the night to have a drink, they WILL most likely die if the go cold turkey.

Workers in addiction treatment centres will provide monitored and measured amounts of alcohol to detoxing drunks to alleviate the PHYSICAL withdrawal symptoms. No other drug is like this that our species knows of.

 

[Kali7]

John Howard is a control freak. He now controls the Australian Research Council. That means that no longer are researchers allowed to study what they want to. If Johnny doesnt like it - no funding and therefore no uni positions... I guess Johnny will introduce creationism into the curricula... why not the country is going so far down the tube backwards without anyone noticing that, why not let him control how we eat, drink, think and how people raise their children.

hey, we are all happy, money is good, freedom is gone, civil rights are gone, but the money is good....

take away the rights of those people in the NT, then lets find someone else to patronise and belittle, its the Australian way.

 

[Felix]

I mean you are all happy with your snakes... imagine if you werent aloud to keep snakes anymore...

keeping snakes v's abusing welfare system/raping children? Are we on the same page?

 

[salebrosus]

Nope im a forensic chemist.

What sort of alcohol are they dirnking out there? I can't believe it's just a few Tooheys that's doing the job- although if there drinking the Vomit Bombs (VB) i wouldn't be surprised.

Simone.

 

[Felix]

I dont think it matters what they are drinking, but rather why!

 

[salebrosus]

Maybe they aren't into herping and have nothing better to do?

Simone.