John Howard new laws

[junglist*]

What sort of alcohol are they dirnking out there? I can't believe it's just a few Tooheys that's doing the job- although if there drinking the Vomit Bombs (VB) i wouldn't be surprised.

Simone.

From those i have spoken to, GOON is a commonly used bevy.

To claim NEW is good for anything expect for killing the bindii plants in your back yard is laughable., VB is not quite as bad, but to an alky, any drink is a good drink.

 

[moosenoose]

Anything can be open for abuse in the wrong hands, petrol or grog. Quite frankly I feel I'm being discriminated against because I am white 8)

 

[salebrosus]

Anything can be open for abuse in the wrong hands, petrol or grog. Quite frankly I feel I'm being discriminated against because I am white 8)

Exactly, you don't agree with someone it seems to instantly make you a racist. All i said was that the government tried something rather than nothing. No one else seemed to offer any suggestions. That makes me a racist. WOW, i didn't realise i had had said anything derrogatory to Aborigines.

Simone.

 

[junglist*]

Exactly, you don't agree with someone it seems to instantly make you a racist. All i said was that the government tried something rather than nothing. No one else seemed to offer any suggestions. That makes me a racist. WOW, i didn't realise i had had said anything derrogatory to Aborigines.

Simone.

As far as i read it, noone except midol was calling you a racist, and we can all agree that midol can be easily ignored ( if i dont i'll get another infraction).

 

[Felix]

does anyone else seriously question causes of claimed behaviour of remote community aboriginals or think the gov should?

 

[Midol]

Firstly how old are you? Secondly history has shown every country has been invaded by somone, New Zealand, England, Asia, South America etc. AND alot of these countries that were invaded had their original inhabitants wiped out- that didn't happen here. They still have a culture they can cling to etc. This country was settled over 200 years ago. Get over it!
While your bitching about these laws- what are your alternatives?

Simone.

Lmao. NZ has more indigenous culture than Australia ever will. America also has a lot of indigenous culture left.

My alternatives? I'd like to see alcohol banned in all communities where problems arise because of it (and yes this will be almost all lower socio-economic areas) and money spent on education rather than restrictions, embrace the communities (note, communities, not indigenous communities) and work WITH them to create a better community.

Banning alcohol and porn won't work, ban alcohol and they'll just move to where they can get it.

 

[Felix]

My alternatives? I'd like to see alcohol banned in all communities where problems arise because of it

Banning alcohol and porn won't work, ban alcohol and they'll just move to where they can get it.

make up your mind, it will work or it wont?

 

[Midol]

Some would argue that targeting only indiginous communities in NT is a form of racism.

Yet its very clear that the aboriginees in NT are in dire need of assistance from the government even if they dont like it.

Aborginal spokespersons have gone public and said that John Howard is not trying to help them... he's trying to steal their land from them... HOW??

Iv heard also that the aboriginess are shutting off climbs on uluru in protest to this racist act...

I honestly think that the people in NT that this policy is designed to help just dont want their drunk molestering lives to end. they are happy and who can blame them for being angry about someone trying to change their lives.
I mean you are all happy with your snakes... imagine if you werent aloud to keep snakes anymore...

Errr, there is no statistical evidence showing that child abuse is more prevalent in aboriginal communities than in lower socioeconomic 'white' communities. That is why the racism card has been pulled. If we targeted ALL troubled communities there wouldn't be a problem.

Did you read the report? You'll notice that a lot of white people are actually implicated, who do you think the aborigines are trading sex with? The white men (the majority anyway).

Have any of you actually read any of the report? I haven't read it all since it is 350 pages... but I read some.

 

[Midol]

make up your mind, it will work or it wont?

You forgot this part:
and money spent on education.

We are not funding any additional education. Just taking the alcohol away. By itself it won't work.

 

[Felix]

How much will your anti alcohol education program cost? what will it consist of? tv ads with vomiting aboriginies?

 

[Australis]

Exactly, you don't agree with someone it seems to instantly make you a racist. .

Simone.

Too True Simone, its doesnt matter what races make up these communities! they have bloody massive problems, do we have to tippy toe around on egg shells just because these communties are made up of Aborigines?

The same social problems are also in Aboriginal communities in parts of QLD, and the local cops seem pretty powerless to stop it!
One such community near where i live has almost weekly cases of women having their arms broken on dole day as they cover thier heads when being attacked, when somone wants their payment!

 

[Felix]

Again, i think its white australia that needs educating as to why aboriginals behave that way, genetically they are ill disposed to alcohol? other factors contributing?
seems easier to throw $$$ than ask hard questions, particully of the aboriginal folk themselves!

 

[moosenoose]

I reckon the Aboriginals were wishing they were in the Muslim community’s shoes, look at all the benefits you can get - your own swimming times, no ham at schools and damn it….if you say anything about them you’re gonna get dragged over the coals big time :twisted: I don’t know if that’s part of being smarter or having people more afraid of you, let’s face it, jets in buildings speak louder than pointed bones

 

[Midol]

How much will your anti alcohol education program cost? what will it consist of? tv ads with vomiting aboriginies?

Couple of billion, I estimate $3.47 billion - taken directly from the defence budget.

It'll involve intense rehabilitation programs and accelerated learning programs to enable the children to get up to the national average for education levels. It'll provide incentives for the communities to become self sufficient with farming and allow them to set up their own crime and misconduct commission with the power to punish crimes according to their tribal law.

Those are just a few of the ideas I propose, now can we stop pretending we are politicians?

ETA: You also just touched on alcohol being more dangerous to them, completely true. Problem is an alcohol ban won't work - it never has.

Australis: In Mooloolaba it isn't unusual to see 20-30 fights happen on each weekend night, usually multiple people require hospitalisation due to fractures, broken ribs, major concussion and other medical complications. Does this mean everyone in mooloolaba are drop kicks?

 

[Felix]

It'll involve intense rehabilitation programs and accelerated learning programs to enable the children to get up to the national average for education levels. It'll provide incentives for the communities to become self sufficient with farming and allow them to set up their own crime and misconduct commission with the power to punish crimes according to their tribal law.

and if you force them to comply with your 'program' (read pogram) are you racist?

p.s many of us would do no worse as politicians! what makes them special?

 

[moosenoose]

I'm not racist, I just hate everyone

 

[junglist*]

There is one fantastic facet of the propsed policy, and that is to ensure that an amount out of the welfare cheques get sequestered so that they go twards feeding and clothing the kids.

This is the racist part of the policy, THAT IT ONLY APPLIES TO INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES IN THE NT.

Unfortunately Coward will not implement this in more densely populated area, DESPITE THE DIRE NEED FOR POLICIES LIKE THIS, because it will lose him votes from the people he cares about, rich white folk.

 

[Felix]

Agreed such a policy should be accross the board.

 

[Midol]

and if you force them to comply with your 'program' (read pogram) are you racist?

p.s many of us would do no worse as politicians! what makes them special?

No, because you missed the area where I specifically dropped indigenous so it no longer only applies to indigenous communities, ALL communities. No welfare spent on alcohol. At all. Anywhere.

Any community identified as having problems (identified through a new task force) will have these conditions placed on them.

The thing that makes them racist is that it only applies to indigenous communities.

You just agree'd to Jungalist so you obviously agree, that is the part of the policy that is racist. THAT is my problem with the new laws.

 

[Felix]

Any community identified as having problems (identified through a new task force) will have these conditions placed on them.

and if these communitys are statistically more often indigenous, its racist?