Carbon Trading $$$$$$$$$

[The Devil]

Who, other than the Federal Gov. is going to collect and get the carbon trading tax money.
Someone is going to make a bundle of money from this new tax.

On my last power bill it stated that 3106kg of greenhouse gas had been released to produce my power. At $20 per ton carbon tax that would equate to about $80 carbon tax per year.
How many trees would I have to plant to get a refund of this amount.

 

[slim6y]

At $20 per ton that's only $62.12

1) Move to a country that uses only hydro electricity

2) Have enough land to selfishly plant trees that are likely to be cut down and used as firewood anyway.

or...

3) Would the world just give up and realise we don't need to run our cars on petrol!

Australia can (if she does choose to do so) use the vast uranium deposits just a couple of hundred metres underground - leave them unmined... pipe water down to them (gravity does most of that work) and let uranium do the rest - heating the water to produce electricity - clean, green and very cheap!

This carbon trading scheme is a joke financially - the rich stay getting richer and are able to pollute the world more (ie the more money you have the more bad you can do) and the poor people trying to make it by and do the right thing are just hippies - or very poor people.

Shame really.. but we all seem to love our carbon guzzling lifestyle....

Just imagine if oil was only used for plastic manufacturing and a few other things, but never as a fuel for cars or electricity... What would the arab nations do then?

The carbon tax should be reversed to carbon subsidisation - so the cheaper cleaner options are firstly sort.

So for example a solar hot water heating system should be so cheap that it's ridiculous and everyone, even the poorest of the poor have access to it and thus saving on their electricity bill and cutting down on carbon emissions.

This way the rich stay rich if they choose to use clean and green while the poor stay poor but can survive easily on a clean green idealistic world with green frogs and fairies.

 

[fraser888]

^^^ i agree

 

[alex_c]

It's all just a money making scheme possibly even the beginning of something much worse just take a look what is going on in the USA.Just think of how much GE will be making from energy saving light bulb's etc. And how much will that hypocrit Al Gore be making from it all?. But the simple facts are Coal fired power station's need to be converted to nuclear etc but then there would be no need for energy saving light bulb's would there?
. All new truck's buse's etc should be fitted with a system like they have on the new Ford F-series Diesel in the US which is basically a part in the exhaust system that burns everything coming out a second time. and as for oil for europe etc canada has a very large reserve which if developed and extracted and sold to europe would cripple russia financially very quickly as this reserve rivals Saudi Arabia. but until the incompetent fool's in congress realise that or stop being corrupt i doubt that will happen especially if obama get's in. Kind of strange that these people try block anything that would make oil cheaper isnt it? their brilliant solution was basically more taxe's. Jmho:?

 

[The Devil]

Article in todays newspaper,...The Great Barrier Reef is doomed in our Children's lifetime unless Australia sets radical greenhouse targets..........

Interesting article, I'm still trying figure out that if Australia shuts EVERYTHING down so that there are NO carbon emissions how we save the Barrier Reef, the Murray Darling ect.
Australia is only responsible for about 1.3% of the worlds emissions.

Just thought of the answer, we construct a bloody great dome over all of Aust. and then we won't have to worry about the pollution generated by say China and India ect.

I've solved part of the problem, now someone just has to figure out how we still allow aircraft to get in to the country.

slim6y....you're right my calculations are wrong.

Quarterly power bill equals about $60 carbon tax, yearly would be about $240. carbon tax at $20 per ton.

 

[slim6y]

Devil... Corriolis effect prevents a lot of the horrific pollution from up north from ever getting to the south pacific (or Indian). But... It doesn't suggest we're not going to be effected by this.

I was under the impression that local pollution (such as from the cities from the Whitsundays to Cape York) were causing some problems, global warming other problems etc for the Great barrier Reef - along with introduced species (crown of thorns etc).

If we're responsible for 1.3% of the worlds emmisions yet - now get this, we only have about 0.2% of the world's population - yet we pollute 1.3% of the world... That my friend is a SHOCKER of a stat!

Actually - where do you get the stats from?

 

[Fester]

I really wonder about the whole global warming panic. Read some of the other reports that claim it is just a cycle that the earth and it's climate historically go through. It always makes me laugh when I see the climate change propoganda on TV showing power station cooling towers. I used to work in power stations and all that fluffy white stuff they like to make you think is smoke is actually water vapour, nothing else. If climate change is a real threat then nuclear is the way to go. For the Greenie's to say that we have to go renewable, like wind, solar etc just would not happen. Renewable sources cannot reliably supply the energy needs of industry. Why don't the goverment heavily subsidise solar panels for household power needs? What is Rudd doing, placing limits on who can get the rebates, crazy.

 

[slim6y]

Fester - H2O is the worlds LARGEST greenhouse gas (by mass and by effect) along with CO2.

However - on saying that it is atmospheric (ie higher altitude) H2O (gas) that makes the biggest difference.

If H2O wasn't in our atmosphere our average surface temperatures would be very very much colder!

Is it a cycle:
As far as the cycle thing goes - it's a very likely scenario - but stats do seem to suggest that this cycle is happening way to quick to be a cycle.

The last comment I simply can not agree with. Industry can be supported b y renewable resource energy:

For example camalco in NZ has its very own hydro power station at manopouri (sp?). That is a renewable resource.

Other companies use wind turbines that they put up and send any excess electricity into the grid.

Some companies and councils use the sewage treatment or garbage dump methane to heat water to turn turbines.

It is possible and that type of backward thinking really isn't overly helpful.

i think if you look at it simplistically - we can do nothing and hope nothing happens or do something and hope that it works.

But to completely ignore the fact it is happening would be detrimental to say the least!

 

[grimbeny]

Dont forget we hardly produce any of the things we use in our household within australia. All the carbon pollution we produce by the manufacturing and transport of these items we really must admit some guilt for.

 

[bundy_zigg]

Its never going to stop! we are a greedy race that take power and ease of means over our environment. Do you honestly think that china will change? or other contries that mass pollute?. Even if Australlia goes green it will do us no good if all other countries keep polluting!

 

[Forensick]

except that we are a higher per capita polluter than china....

so china may be worse than us together, but you and i are worse than any individual chinese or indian.


but to play devils advocate... and climater change is a hoax.
IF we change things anyway, we wont have to deal with eventually running out of a fuel... our cities will be cleaner. with across the board no job losses... we did however waste alot of money

if we don't, then we save money, but we aren't any better off

if however.... climate change ISN'T a hoax... is the end of human life in our childrens life time really an acceptable gamble?


seriously, to me its like playing russain roulette with someone you don't know.
i hand you a gun, don't tell you how many bullets there are....

 

[redbellybite]

untill the government can put a meter between the sun and our country "SOLAR" will never be an option cant make enough money .......greedy greedy greedy ......

 

[Fester]

Slim6y, renewable is great, I don't have an issue with it. BUT, it cannot produce the MW's that industry requires at all times. I worked in a power station that has a generating capacity of 1,280MW. Tell me how many wind turbines and solar panels would replace that? Hydro still would not replace it in this country. NZ is another kettle of fish. Why is Tasmania generating at Bell Bay? There is not enough water to sustain their hydro plants at the moment. Remember that solar and wind is no good on a calm night! And wind turbines have big problems here in SA on very hot days. They shut down due to temperature problems. We will still need large generators whether they are gas turbines, gas fired boilers, nuclear, clean coal technology etc.

 

[Forensick]

where are we getting the water from for nuclear?

 

[Fester]

where are we getting the water from for nuclear?

Actually the steam cycle in a power station does not use an incredible amount of water. It is only used to top up losses in the system. The cooling towers you see in some power stations do use a large amount of water as this the method to condense the steam after it has passed through the turbine, back to water. A lot of power stations use sea water for their cooling so don't have the towers. Some use ambient cooling towers and use no water.

 

[bundy_zigg]

except that we are a higher per capita polluter than china....

so china may be worse than us together, but you and i are worse than any individual chinese or indian.


but to play devils advocate... and climater change is a hoax.
IF we change things anyway, we wont have to deal with eventually running out of a fuel... our cities will be cleaner. with across the board no job losses... we did however waste alot of money

if we don't, then we save money, but we aren't any better off

if however.... climate change ISN'T a hoax... is the end of human life in our childrens life time really an acceptable gamble?



seriously, to me its like playing russain roulette with someone you don't know.
i hand you a gun, don't tell you how many bullets there are....

China Population 1,321,851,888
Australian population 20,434,176
No wonder we are higher per capita

The US also produced the most carbon in total, followed by China. The whole point is that they still produce more than us!

Do you honestly think that we are going to fix it? stop technology? stop growth and land destruction?.
Im all for fixing the worl, i'm just against talking about it! I do my share. I think its all about the money!

 

[bundy_zigg]

NSW 'worst polluter'
The study also found New South Wales is home to the two largest CO2 emitting power stations in Australia, a worldwide survey has found.

According to the survey NSW's Bayswater station at Muswellbrook, and Eraring near Lake Macquarie, are the worst emitters in the country.

Both emit 18.32 million tonnes of carbon dioxide a year.


Im creating a state war here hahahaha:lol::shock:

 

[Fester]

NSW 'worst polluter'
The study also found New South Wales is home to the two largest CO2 emitting power stations in Australia, a worldwide survey has found.

According to the survey NSW's Bayswater station at Muswellbrook, and Eraring near Lake Macquarie, are the worst emitters in the country.

Both emit 18.32 million tonnes of carbon dioxide a year.


Im creating a state war here hahahaha:lol::shock:

Let's shut them down then like the Greens want, then see how you will heat your herps!!
If we are all going to do our bit maybe we should not be in this hobby!
(or tropical fish)

 

[bundy_zigg]

Let's shut them down then like the Greens want, then see how you will heat your herps!!
If we are all going to do our bit maybe we should not be in this hobby!

I live in Nth QLD so my heating is free, thats my bit done

 

[Fester]

I live in Nth QLD so my heating is free, thats my bit done

Looks like we are all going to have to move up there!