Is this herp going to drop in price????

[scorps]

Hello,

Just wondering who else if over reading these threads about people making random topics about animals they have seen a little bit cheaper so they think its neccesary to make a thread to ask peoples oppinion about how cheap animals are going to be this season?

Just my little rant

Scorps

 

[marty]

i'm with you there Scorps.
even more irritation when these idiots ring you and ask for a 60% discount because "they will be worth nothing next year so if you don't sell it now you will be stuck with it" .

 

[beatlloydy]

An item (whether it be a snake/lizard, a car or a playstation 3) is worth as much as the current market is willing to pay.

I would never ask for a discount on just a snake or 2 but may consider if I bought quite a few at once but no way would 60% discount be justified. I actually got 20% off my 8 snakeranch purchases via the 20/20 deal so I was happy.

To ask for a 60% discount based on speculation on next years prices is rediculous as no one knows how much they are going to drop (if at all)...to those who have experienced that I would suggest responding to the enquirer "do you try that at the local car dealer and how successful are you" and also "o.k come back next year and we will see what the market price is then"

Price for some of the more rare species ( e.g albino darwins) will probably come down but no one can speculate for sure what the end price will be. If anyone has this ability I suggest they put 10 grand on the futures market as they are obviously clairvoyent.

 

[RELLIK81]

i never ask for discounts.....if i see a snake i like for the price i am willing to pay then ill get it....otherwise i wont bother inquiring about the animal.....i used to breed american staffordshire terriers and had this all the time ....i even had some guy ring me up wanting me to swap him a pup for a mountain bike...i just laughed at him and hung up.....

i have however asked if the price is the lowest they would take for the animal...and if they say it is as low as they would take then id pay it......

 

[snakehandler]

I will never put a percentage out there, I will ask a person if they will accept my offer, if not and I really want it, then I may pay the price asked, but only if I believe it is reasonable and cannot get a better price elsewhere. If a person has several for sale of course we will ask a discount for the lot.....it saves the seller time and hassles and get me what I want!

 

[scorps]

I will never put a percentage out there, I will ask a person if they will accept my offer, if not and I really want it, then I may pay the price asked, but only if I believe it is reasonable and cannot get a better price elsewhere. If a person has several for sale of course we will ask a discount for the lot.....it saves the seller time and hassles and get me what I want!

Deffently Snakehandler, If I'm selling some hatchlings and a buyer is willing to take the lot off me in one hit I will deffently give a good discout (unless I can easily sell them all straight away) but in most cases its so much easier to do a bulk sell

 

[spilota_variegata]

It's quite interesting seeing the prices drop for this seasons' hatchlings, particularly albino carpets. I was going to buy a pair this season but have decided to wait until next season just to see what happens. I suppose it depends on what you want the snakes for - if you want to get into breeding for money, I personally think you've left it a bit late (albino carpets) as IMO the prices in 3 years or so will never be sufficient to recoup the outlay you have made now.

I've seen some pretty good prices on other snakes lately;

$800 for RSPs
$1200 for GTPs
$500 for BHPs etc.

And these prices are not hatchlings - Looks like a downward trend to me.

Having said that, if someone out there can do me an unbelievable deal on a sexed pair of albino carpets, message me.

 

[snakehandler]

The other thing I have noticed is that there are some snakes that people struggle to offload.....is the GFC still affecting the herp trade?

 

[Cheyne_Jones]

I guess its a case of if you dont want to read the thread dont open it, it gets hard around here when there is 3 of these threads a day, but thats one lesson I have learnt around here over the past few years.

I think that the general drop in price is awesome, I dont care about making anything from my herps so I am really looking forward to buying things cheaper over time. I think you will also find that people that are in it only for the money will give up on reptiles which can only be a good thing. In the end if reptiles are your passion then the price you buy and sell for shouldnt really matter as IMO they arent that expensive to maintain.

 

[Chris1]

people that are so worried about bargaining cos prices will drop in the future must be in it to make a quick buck rather than for the love of it, with the possibility of breeding on the side.
im happy to pay what the seller asks, and if im not im not gonna insult them by basically telling them theyre animal is crap and not worth the asking price.

personally i wouldnt even botehr replying to an email that asks for a 60% discount.
id probably even block tehm from my email.

 

[Sterlo]

I have heard that they are soon going to put a tax or something for how many herps you have like if ou have a certain amount you have to pay yearly blah blah
is this true?

 

[Cheyne_Jones]

people that are so worried about bargaining cos prices will drop in the future must be in it to make a quick buck rather than for the love of it, with the possibility of breeding on the side.
im happy to pay what the seller asks, and if im not im not gonna insult them by basically telling them theyre animal is crap and not worth the asking price.

personally i wouldnt even botehr replying to an email that asks for a 60% discount.
id probably even block tehm from my email.

Agreed, it is an utter insult to ask for a big discount when dealing with a seller, they dont just pluck numbers out of thin air to put in for sale adds, if its too dear for you dont even enquire!

 

[beatlloydy]

I have heard that they are soon going to put a tax or something for how many herps you have like if ou have a certain amount you have to pay yearly blah blah
is this true?

I hope that is not the case as there are a lot people who have heaps of herps...I am only new to the whole scene but the addiction is there...I already have/will have (by end Feb) around 15 reps....I am still thinking of expanding.

If a tax was placed on them then there would be a lot of people trying to offload which initially would cause a price crash (not a big deal) but worse still, could cause some of the cheaper/commoner species such as coatals to be dumped or even force a lot to go off licence and back to the old days. (is this a good or bad thing...not sure).

Gees...we are taxed on enough stuff....and licences..dont get me started...licence for herps, boat, car, triathlon, mtb, Road racing...the list goes on...we actually get very little back for any of this...most of it is eaten up in insurance which is doubled up...Would be interesting to see if you had an accident say MTB'ing if you could claim on all 3 policies (I bet not)...I know that was a digression off topic but IMHO the current Herp system with a yearly or 5 yearly licence is fair enough..any more is just revenue raising.

Governments are good at that...now talking about putting unleaded up 10c a litre to force us to go to premium...a better way would be to put premium down 10 cents but that is too logical.

 

[azn4114]

Hello,

Just wondering who else if over reading these threads about people making random topics about animals they have seen a little bit cheaper so they think its neccesary to make a thread to ask peoples oppinion about how cheap animals are going to be this season?

Just my little rant

Scorps

ahh you must be talking about me coz my ears are burning:lol:,i think there legitimate questions apart from some other rubbish questions on here(aps)

 

[FAY]

I only buy off breeders that I have total respect for and who I whole heartedly trust. Whatever their going price is I pay it. Bargains can be never what they seem and can cost you so much more in the long run.

 

[deebo]

Another thing that people seem to run with is that if they see one cheap animal or pair then that all of sudden becomes the going price. One cheap animal does not set the going rate.....

 

[spilota_variegata]

I have heard that they are soon going to put a tax or something for how many herps you have like if ou have a certain amount you have to pay yearly blah blah
is this true?

Contrary to most people, I would applaude a tax being imposed on snake sales. Selling snakes is definitely quite lucrative for some people and the amounts of money made should warrant a tax.

When does a hobby stop becoming a hobby? I think some people stretch the definition a bit to suit themselves.

I don't think a tax would reduce the price of reptiles at all. The seller would just tack the extra cost on to the price of the animals.

 

[dixilizards]

To wrought the tax system you would need sales of $20,000.00 per financial year to be of any interest to the tax department and not until $75,000.00 would you need to calculate in the GST component.

Very few people in this hobby make in excess of $5-6,000.00 per financial year let alone $20,000.00.

 

[spilota_variegata]

To wrought the tax system you would need sales of $20,000.00 per financial year to be of any interest to the tax department and not until $75,000.00 would you need to calculate in the GST component.

Very few people in this hobby make in excess of $5-6,000.00 per financial year let alone $20,000.00.

I know several people who make in excess of 20k per year on snake sales. It would only take 1/2 dozen albino carpets or a couple of albino olives. Not too many snakes in the grand scheme of things.

I think you'd be surprised just how much money some people are making. Sure Joe Blow the average breeder is losing money - and having a great time whilst doing so - but there are some quite big players out there.

 

[dixilizards]

From my understanding these, Big Players generally have running businesses and so do claim there sales already.

The average "joe blow" breeders far out way these 'Big Players' by atleast 100 to 1, compare all the albino python pairs and GTP's etc to your run of the mill herps being kept and bred... i.e. anteresia, womas, bredli, jungles etc etc and work our how many breeders are making $20,000.00 off 20 or so $200-$350 snakes....

I'm not interested in getting in to a ' I know this many people and they keep this species' fight, but to make comments that a tax is needed to stop people tax dodging would be very unfair on the average backyard breeder just showing an interest in a few hundred dollars made over a few months of the year. Maybe instead naming these people to the ATO yourself would be far more useful than an open tax.