My beef with our gay rights!!

[Snowman]

Same reason I choose to barrick for collingwood It's just a prefrence. I don't care either way as I belive in live and let live. Where is the scientific proof for being born with a certain sexual preference??? It's all irrelavant anyway, there is no restriction on gays or straight people owning reptiles so lets rejoice at that

 

[Flaviruthless]

How is homosexuality unnatural? There have been many examples of homosexual behaviour in the animal kingdom, including a beetle species that uses it to increase the chances of fathering young (I can't remember the exact species but am happy to look up every example I can find if it's needed).
I am an atheist myself and have never had a problem with people being gay. How would all of the heterosexual people feel if a minority of people declared that what heterosexuals were doing was unnatural when you had never known anything else? What I don't understand is why some people feel it necessary to compare homosexuality to degrading acts between people and animals and disgusting acts between adults and children. In a normal homosexual relationship, who is getting hurt? Two consenting adults wish to be together and they should be recognised. They AREN'T coming into your home and broadcasting it or molesting your children or ruining your life - they merely wish to express their own love for each other and I think it is horrible that so many people deny them this basic right - to love. Surely we as a society can only gain from accepting that people can love people of the same sex.

 

[Snowman]

People choose not to have sex for many different reasons... Sexual preference being predetermined doesn't give pedophiles an excuse to CHOOSE to have sex with minors.

So you think they are born attracted to minors then???? interesting

 

[Kristy_07]

Well said, Rahni. I can't see the negatives of allowing gay marriage, either.

 

[Kristy_07]

So you think they are born attracted to minors then???? interesting

I honestly don't know, Snowman. It is one theory that's been put forward. But, it still does not incorporate the human ability to choose one's actions.

 

[Snowman]

I am a firm believer that sexuality is, to use you word, pre determined. Why would somebody choose to be gay
with the bigotry and hatred towards homosexuality. Also as a straight man did you have any gay thoughts before
you chose "straightness" or have you never had to make a choice and always been attracted to the opposite sex.

Like I said I'm a Collingwood supporter. I CHOSE that team and never thought about following another. Was I pre determent by some unknown gene to never make the choice to follow soccer or some other AFL team??? There is to date no scientific evidence that we are born with a specific sexual persuasion.

 

[Snowman]

I honestly don't know, Snowman. It is one theory that's been put forward. But, it still does not incorporate the human ability to choose one's actions.

I wasn't talking about their actions.. just their sexual preference. Not all pedafiles have had sex with a minor. Some have been found by having images on their computers etc.... But if you insist that were just born that way, can you blame them for looking at images???

 

[waruikazi]

I honestly don't know, Snowman. It is one theory that's been put forward. But, it still does not incorporate the human ability to choose one's actions.

People who abuse children often were abused themsleves as children. There is alot of research that suggests that the actions by peadophiles is often more about power relationships than it is about sexuality. I'm not about to argue that it isn't about sexual gratification though.

I despise the fact that people are comparing peadophilia to homosexuality. They are entirely different.

 

[cris]

So you think they are born attracted to minors then???? interesting

I would be suprised if it isnt partly genetic, although environmental factors would play a role, i dont think a normal person just makes a decision one day that they have a sexual preferance of children, some people call themselves animal lovers i dont think they choose to be like that either.

 

[waruikazi]

I wasn't talking about their actions.. just their sexual preference. Not all pedafiles have had sex with a minor. Some have been found by having images on their computers etc.... But if you insist that were just born that way, can you blame them for looking at images???

You can because they have assisted in abusing someone. You cannot compare the actions of two concenting adults in a loving relationship to someone who abuses children.

 

[tc2233]

Personally I think that gays should be allowed to be married. Its starting to become an everyday thing in life. My teacher is a lesbian, and several guys I know quite well are gay. There would be at least 10 people at school that are gay.
They do get discriminated on quite often, especially in the change rooms where there are some ********s in my year who go and partyboy them and impersonate their gay personalities and ask what anal feels like. When we do school activities where girls and boys are split up the gay guys dont usually dont want to go with the boys an the teachers wont let them go with the girls rooms they ended up being picked on when they stay with the guys. Even the teachers laugh at them when they don't know the rules for footy or cricket.

My sister is an acrobat and trains with a lot of gay guys. One of the gay guys (he is 17) announced to his family that he is gay and now his dad and brother dont speak to him anymore and dont want anything to do with him any more. I think thats a bit harsh.

Sure it is a good idea to introduce gay marriage but there still needs to be a lot to be done with the way gays are treated at school and in the public.

 

[Snowman]

I despise the fact that people are comparing peadophilia to homosexuality. They are entirely different.

I was simply comparing peoples sexual preferences. And whether or not we are born with said preferences.
To completely rule out life experiences contributing to the end result would be impossible in my opinion.

 

[waruikazi]

I was simply comparing peoples sexual preferences.

You seem pretty keen to not let it be compared to heterosexuality. Why is that?

 

[tc2233]

Another thing to add. I think gay couples shouldnt be allowed to adopt children or whatever way they end up having children like this guy pregnant man | tag | HollywoodGrind

 

[Snowman]

You can because they have assisted in abusing someone. You cannot compare the actions of two concenting adults in a loving relationship to someone who abuses children.

Not talkning about actions.. we are talking about whether they are born attracted to minors.

 

[Snowman]

You seem pretty keen to not let it be compared to heterosexuality. Why is that?

I have no problem comparing it to heterosexuality. I have gay, lesbian and straight friends and family... my point was to illustrate if you insist someone is born with a certain preference then it affects all area’s of sexual preference. I love brunettes with fair skin… was I born that way or was it only after seeing Megan Fox in transformers

 

[waruikazi]

Not talkning about actions.. we are talking about whether they are born attracted to minors.

I was responding to you questioning whether people could be blamed for looking at sexualized pictures of children. That is an action and yes you can be blamed for that. When talking about peadophiles, which shouldn't even have been brought up when discussing gay rights, there is some research that says it is environmental and there is some research that says it isn't. Either way there is no research to suggest it is a 'choice.'

 

[waruikazi]

I have no problem comparing it to heterosexuality. I have gay, lesbian and straight friends and family... my point was to illustrate if you insist someone is born with a certain preference then it affects all area’s of sexual preference. I love brunettes with fair skin… was I born that way or was it only after seeing Megan Fox in transformers

I'm not insisting that sexuality is predertermined. I am insisting that it is not a choice, like you choosing collingwood.

 

[Snowman]

Sorry Snowy but I still firmly believe we are. I haven't once had to wrestle with being straight or gay. I can't
remember even making a conscious decision about being straight I just am. When the hormones kicked in girls
just suddenly became interesting. Saying you chose Collingwood, another disturbing topic there, isn't the same.

Hahaha I can repsect you opinion Clem. And I have no problem with anyones view as long as they accept mine too. But you say when the hormones kicked in girls just became interesting. Can you tell me that absolutely none of that instinct isn't from life experience and environment. IE of seeing girls on TV, watching your parents, etc etc.
The amount of homsexual activity in US prisons is certainly a factor of environment.

 

[Snowman]

I'm not insisting that sexuality is predertermined. I am insisting that it is not a choice, like you choosing collingwood.

But me chosing collingwood is a choice otherwise I wouldn't be able to say I "chose" to barrick for collingwood