Hypothetical- Question about responsibility

[JS974]

Hypothetical Question: Say you bought three pythons from one place (and they never eaten properly, in the very short time you'd had them - just background info) and they where first things you had ever owned to show any signs of sickness (rapidly spreading disease), do you think it's a fair a reasonable assumption to make that they originated from a collection that may have an issue with disease, would you expect the seller to show some kind of responsibility?

Just interested on other peoples thoughts.

 

[junglepython2]

What do you mean by sickness? Not eating isn't necessarily a sign of sickness.

 

[JS974]

given it's a hypothetical question lets go with the some of the signs of opmv, but no confirmation as yet on exactly what it is.

 

[Pythoninfinite]

OPMV is almost impossible (may actually be impossible) to diagnose conclusively in this country. But if the animals were demonstrably sick for any reason, not just symptoms of OPMV, it would be worthwhile taking the matter up with the seller. But timelines, your own management techniques and a whole lot of other variables will come into play.

A good vendor, who cares about his clients and his reputation, will always look at problems like this sympathetically if you have done what you needed to do to house and manage the animals. If the door is shut in your face... then it's likely you're not the only one to encounter problems...

Jamie

 

[JS974]

OPMV is almost impossible (may actually be impossible) to diagnose conclusively in this country. But if the animals were demonstrably sick for any reason, not just symptoms of OPMV, it would be worthwhile taking the matter up with the seller. But timelines, your own management techniques and a whole lot of other variables will come into play.

A good vendor, who cares about his clients and his reputation, will always look at problems like this sympathetically if you have done what you needed to do to house and manage the animals. If the door is shut in your face... then it's likely you're not the only one to encounter problems...

Jamie

Thanks for the reply

Re. Diagnoses - thats been what I've been going through with the vet, I'm going to pay the money and have the test done anyway as if its confirmed given where I believe it came from it will have a potentially large effect on the hobby.
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The husbandries of all of the animals has been textbook perfect conditions, and to be honest the seller has been completely unhelpful (other than offering some sibs as a replacement), the only thing I've made a mess of is the quarantine & thinking it would be ok based on reputation, which is going to be a very expensive lesson.[/FONT]

 

[GSXR_Boy]

What type of pythons? Doesn't sound too good All the best with that.

 

[longqi]

Hopefully it may turn out to be a genetic defect rather than OPMV
I say that because OPMV is generally a pretty slow killer until in its latter stages
At least that way the rest of your collection will be ok

 

[JS974]

Jungles is where it poped it head up in.

 

[longqi]

Being from the same seller I will stick my neck out and assume they were roughly the same age and possibly from the same batch??
If that is correct genetics/incubation may have been the problem
Hope Im right for your sake

 

[JS974]

Hopefully it may turn out to be a genetic defect rather than OPMV
I say that because OPMV is generally a pretty slow killer until in its latter stages
At least that way the rest of your collection will be ok

I have a 1/2 seprated collection - the other side looks clean at this stage (in a diffrent shed) - given how it's spreading it's not genetic (it showed very early signs in two other species in the last two days) and I'll be talking to the vet about distroying the infected animals today and completely shutting the doors to my collection.

It sucks, but hopefully someone reading this will learn something from it which is why I posted this in the first place.

 

[longqi]

Ok
Sorry I didnt realise it had spread into the rest of the collection

Good luck with the test is all I can wish you

Youre right
It sucks big time

 

[Pythoninfinite]

Sounds pretty stressful. Get yourself some F10 or Virkon S cold sterilizing agent (if you don't already have some) and clean EVERYTHING, discarding any wooden furnishings like branches etc. I believe that when the ARP had their OPMV outbreak several years ago after the fire, they used (and maybe still do) atomisers to periodically mist the atmosphere with F10 in their reptile rooms, to reduce the chance of spreading in the air. F10 has very low toxicity so you can work in an environment in which it is airborne.

Maybe give them a call and see what they suggest. It's in the interest of the hobby to spread as much knowledge as possible.

Jamie

 

[JS974]

Cheers, I've been using f10 in an old nebuliser in the center of the room trying to achive that same result (killing airborn) and have cleaned everything a couple of times (which actually menat disinfection of an entire garage)

 

[Renenet]

I believe that when the ARP had their OPMV outbreak several years ago after the fire, they used (and maybe still do) atomisers to periodically mist the atmosphere with F10 in their reptile rooms, to reduce the chance of spreading in the air.

I didn't know that the ARP had an OPMV outbreak. Did they release a report on it at all?

Does anyone know what the status is of Tim Hyndman's research into a test for OPMV? I found a post of his on another forum dating back several years ago, but I'm not sure if anything's happened since.

 

[Ramsayi]

Just wondering if you have had any mite outbreaks in the not too distant past?

 

[JS974]

Just wondering if you have had any mite outbreaks in the not too distant past?

none at all, but I still need a confirmation on what it the problem is (I've read a couple of thinks on the links between the two with transmission).

 

[Retic]

The problem is that as Jamie pointed out there is no test available in this country at present. The 'best' they can do is come back with the conclusion that it is 'consistent with OPMV' which basically means 'we have no idea what it is but it looks vaguely similar'.
Disregarding the fact that it may or may not be OPMV or something similar would it be unreasonable to expect the name of the person concerned to be made available ?

Re. Diagnoses - thats been what I've been going through with the vet, I'm going to pay the money and have the test done anyway as if its confirmed given where I believe it came from it will have a potentially large effect on the hobby.

The husbandries of all of the animals has been textbook perfect conditions, and to be honest the seller has been completely unhelpful (other than offering some sibs as a replacement), the only thing I've made a mess of is the quarantine & thinking it would be ok based on reputation, which is going to be a very expensive lesson.

 

[JS974]

Disregarding the fact that it may or may not be OPMV or something similar would it be unreasonable to expect the name of the person concerned to be made available ?

I feel if I did that my comment would be moderated in record time.

 

[Ramsayi]

Feel free to PM any info

 

[Retic]

Yes you are probably right there. As Ramsayi says feel free to PM any info you don't feel comfortable making common knowledge.

I feel if I did that my comment would be moderated in record time.