Do you eat Meat or Dairy - if so why?

[Snowman]

Its just after the studies I have seen & facts I have discovered I am actually blown away that people still want to consume it which is why I was interested to start a poll to see what the motivation is.

Really? You are blown away that people want to eat something that has been part of our diet since the beginning of our species???

I think statements like that don't help your credibility. Meat has been part of our diet since the beginning. As Borntobenude pointed out it's an important part of our brain development, as it is for all omnivores and carnivores. It's not like smoking or drugs that came in at a different time and are detrimental to our health.

I agree that too much meat is bad for the human race and in modern day society we tend to eat far too much.
Personally I think extremes in any direction are detrimental to health. Whether its too much animal products or no animal products at all. A bit of common sense goes a long way and it's not hard to find a happy medium that will ensure good health.

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I have presented you with many 'facts' , Im not asking you to take my word for it, there are plenty of facts available, whether of not you want to do anything with them is up to you & you alone.

Yes we have all read and looked into it at one time or another. I presented you with facts from CSIRO and you ignored them. Please provide me with facts from a similar Australian research group that has the credibility of CSIRO. It seems you are into the scaremongering "facts" that are put together by groups that are against meat and animal products. I'm yet to see hard evidence against animal products. I take research very seriously and the sources I obtain information from must be credible. It's common sense to sift fact from fiction. It seems you take a little fact out of context and run with it. Which is in itself a dangerous practice.

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Perhaps go through this thread Gecko and see if people have given you likes? That is always a good indicator of whether or not you are on the religion side or science side on this site.
Unless everyone else is wrong and just you are right?

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Some more facts from medical journals about vegans...

MAHATMA GANDHI AND 22 COMPANIONS FAIL AS VEGANS
by Arnold DeVries

CONCLUSION:
Gandhi was unable to live on a vegan diet
He finally declared vegan claims fraudulent
Those who insisted that veganism was possible he defined to be "enemies of India"

NATURAL HYGIENE DR. GIAN-CURSIO WARN ABOUT DISEASES DUE TO VEGAN DIET

CONCLUSION:
Veganism caused diseases in Dr. Cursio's patients in the 1950's, e.g.:
children got skeletal & tooth problems, hernia, nearsightedness, muscle-problems, deformed heads
Young adults got dental caries, gum line recession, multiple sclerosis, blood chemistry problems, some deaths
Some deaths of babies
Dr. Cursio discontinued vegan diets by adding eggs and dairy, which solved the problems

OUR VEGAN CHILD WAS DEFICIENCY-DAMAGED
CONCLUSION:
vegan baby could not lift head
& could not crawl
& had minimal muscle strength
enamel missing from first tooth
not enough to add vitamin B-12

RICKETS IN VEGAN INFANT
by Ward Nicholson


CONCLUSION:
2 1/2 year old vegan infant developed rickets / bow legs
problem disappeared with added animal foods
there isn't much margin for errors on vegan diets

FAMILY WITH SERIOUS HEALTH PROBLEMS CAUSED BY STRICT VEGAN DIET 2001

CONCLUSION:
strict vegan 85% raw diet caused serious health problems in all 5 family members
similar problems also occurred in others on the same vegan diet
typical problems were e.g. scattered thinking, looking old, chronically tired, loss of muscle, feeling cold, thyroid problems
strong reluctance in admitting the problems

THE VEGAN HEALTH PROBLEM SURVEY

CONCLUSION:
the Westbrooks developed a survey to identifiy the most common problems developed on the vegan Hallelujah diet
54 health problems were identified
at first, the failing health of those on the diet typically collides with a strong belief in the theory the vegan Hallelujah diet is now judged adequate for 3 months use only

http://naturalhygienesociety.org/diet3.html

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STRICT VEGAN DIET - DANGEROUS


http://chetday.com/vegandietdangers.htm

Upton Sinclair
A famous writer and ex-vegan by the name of Upton Sinclair, the activist who forced the meat-packing industry to clean up its act many decades ago when he wrote The Jungle, found he couldn't maintain his work levels on a vegan diet.
Writing sadly that he hated to give up veganism, Sinclair did so nonetheless because he found his brain just wouldn't function at an optimal level on fruits, vegetables, juice, nuts, and seeds. He turned to Salisbury steak as his answer.
Although Upton Sinclair was nearly crucified by his vegan friends for changing his diet and writing about the positive results from the change, he maintained that he went where the truth led him.
I feel the same way.

February 2002 Addendum
I'm increasingly disturbed by the number of letters coming in from individuals who have had their health and well-being deteriorate after following a strict vegan or raw food program for various lengths of time.
In just a minute I'll share with you the most recent letter, this one from a woman who ate a raw food, vegan diet for several years and who developed spleen deficiencies and other problems.
The pattern I've been monitoring in email for several years now suggests that the longer a person stays on a strict vegan diet (with little or no "cheating"), the more apt that person is to develop not only deficiency symptoms
but potentially even chronic health problems.
Although I'm not the only former vegan and raw foodist seeing this pattern, I seem to be one of the few who actually writes about it and discusses it in public.
For various reasons, many former (and most current) vegans and raw foodists don't want to publicly confront the problems with their idealistic diets, though many are willing to share their observations and experiences with me in private. But that's a whole different article.

Most Commonly Reported Problems and Symptoms
What are the most commonly reported symptoms from long-term vegans and raw foodists who have been forced to add some animal fat and protein back into their diets to regain or maintain superior health, energy, and well-being?
Below are the symptoms and problems I hear about in mail from long-term vegans and raw foodists on an all-too-regular basis:

• inadequate milk production for nursing mothers, as well as retarded physical and mental development in some children who are strictly on a vegan or raw food diet;
• slow metabolism leading to a much less robust lifestyle;
• a general lack of vitality;
• low body temperature (always cold);
• a weak, touchy digestive system with a loss of digestive strength (unable to metabolize food quickly, have to be careful what you eat, how much, must practice food combining to be able to digest food, etc.);
• food cravings (especially among women);
• stalled weight loss because metabolism is too low (predominately in women);
• inability to gain weight, resulting in shrunken, cadaverous-looking bodies (predominately in men);
• weight gains from overeating on carbohydrates;
• amenorrhea (menstrual cycles cease), even in young women;
• loss of libido;
• hair loss and nail problems;
• dental cavities, tooth loss, and gum problems;
• joint pain;
• inability to conceive

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In answer to your question the above is why we still
want to consume animal products.

 

[Gecko :)]

Snowman, it is not a popularity contest & you dont need to be Einstein to see that the majority of peoples views within this thread support eating meat.
'Likes' are obviously important to you as it is the second time you have mentioned it.
I couldnt care less how many 'likes' I have received, I am not a teenage girl on facebook & I dont need anyone to beat my drum for me.

& yes I am 'blown away' that if people know the facts & still think that it tastes that good that it outways any potential health risks & still want to eat it.
The fact we have eaten it for such a long time means nothing to me.
We are discovering new things all the time, just because it wasnt available from day 1 doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

I find it amusing that you continue to quote the CSIRO as if they are a trustworthy source,they are Government funded & you dont have to look too far to find they have been accused of mass corruption on many levels, so no I don't find them to be a unbiased credible/reliable source.

I am not sure why you insist on me providing you with further facts ?
You obviously have the internet & are quite capable of looking into it further if you wish to.
I am not going to go doing your research for you.
I have pointed you in the right direction but I cant make you watch something.

 

[Snowman]

Snowman, it is not a popularity contest & you dont need to be Einstein to see that the majority of peoples views within this thread support eating meat.
'Likes' are obviously important to you as it is the second time you have mentioned it.
I couldnt care less how many 'likes' I have received, I am not a teenage girl on facebook & I dont need anyone to beat my drum for me.

& yes I am 'blown away' that if people know the facts & still think that it tastes that good that it outways any potential health risks & still want to eat it.
The fact we have eaten it for such a long time means nothing to me.
We are discovering new things all the time, just because it wasnt available from day 1 doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

I find it amusing that you continue to quote the CSIRO as if they are a trustworthy source,they are Government funded & you dont have to look too far to find they have been accused of mass corruption on many levels, so no I don't find them to be a unbiased credible/reliable source.

I am not sure why you insist on me providing you with further facts ?
You obviously have the internet & are quite capable of looking into it further if you wish to.
I am not going to go doing your research for you.
I have pointed you in the right direction but I cant make you watch something.

Yes the likes show that someone shares your opinion or that you are talking sense.
Yes you have no facts and even to the degree you distrust the CSIRO and accuse its findings fraudulent, even though when read they are just common sense.
You seem pretty out there I give you that.

You keep saying that people eat meat because it tastes good. Yet with several posts of people saying they do it for health, you over look that and insist it is for taste? You are not very objective and have not provided any facts.

Yes I looked online and posted my findings from medical journals above. It is proven vegan is detrimental to long term health.

I'm unsure of what you want or wanted with this post? Having looked through your post history it seems you don't contribute to APS. Lots of items for sale, but nothing to help the average keeper or field herper. Not even advice for new keepers. Perhaps you would find more like minded people for the vegan topic on a vegan forum? As many people have stated, you have offended them with your assumptions and your inverted commas on health. If this was your intention then I guess you have achieved your goal.

 

[Red-Ink]

I feel lethargic as a vegetarian... probably not doing it right

I feel more energetic as a omnivore... probably over doing it though

I eat veggies when I crave them and I eat meat when I crave them

Worst thing I do is batter chicken with chicken eggs... coating an animal with its own embryos before I consume it.

 

[Wing_Nut]

Humans have salivary glands - this is inconsistent with herbivorous mammals

Humans do not have fermentation vats like almost all specialised plant eaters

The relative length and distribution of cells in our digestive system indicates we are an intermediate between a pure carnivore and a herbivore.

Humans cannot survive on a pure herbivorous diet, we at the very least require nuts, fruit, and leaves as well, making us a gramnivore, fruigivore, and a folivore, and by very definition an omnivore.

There simply are not any anatomical traits that would suggest otherwise. The only reasons behind a "vegan" diet will always remain ethical, and a result of "health concerns". Humans however are certainly omnivores and simply put, the fact we can thrive on a mixed diet should be evidence enough without any more investigation.

We have the right to choose what we eat, as a result of the hard working meat eating generations before us. Interestingly, since the vegan movement draw unsupported correlation between facts, can you explain why the average life span on a human has increased proportionaly to the average consumption of red meat? Or the correlation age plays in the distribution of causes of death?

 

[Snowman]

Humans have salivary glands - this is inconsistent with herbivorous mammals

Humans do not have fermentation vats like almost all specialised plant eaters

The relative length and distribution of cells in our digestive system indicates we are an intermediate between a pure carnivore and a herbivore.

Humans cannot survive on a pure herbivorous diet, we at the very least require nuts, fruit, and leaves as well, making us a gramnivore, fruigivore, and a folivore, and by very definition an omnivore.

There simply are not any anatomical traits that would suggest otherwise. The only reasons behind a "vegan" diet will always remain ethical, and a result of "health concerns". Humans however are certainly omnivores and simply put, the fact we can thrive on a mixed diet should be evidence enough without any more investigation.

Well articulated ^

 

[Gecko :)]

Yes the likes show that someone shares your opinion or that you are talking sense.
Yes you have no facts and even to the degree you distrust the CSIRO and accuse its findings fraudulent, even though when read they are just common sense.
You seem pretty out there I give you that.

You keep saying that people eat meat because it tastes good. Yet with several posts of people saying they do it for health, you over look that and insist it is for taste? You are not very objective and have not provided any facts.

Yes I looked online and posted my findings from medical journals above. It is proven vegan is detrimental to long term health.

I'm unsure of what you want or wanted with this post? Having looked through your post history it seems you don't contribute to APS. Lots of items for sale, but nothing to help the average keeper or field herper. Not even advice for new keepers. Perhaps you would find more like minded people for the vegan topic on a vegan forum? As many people have stated, you have offended them with your assumptions and your inverted commas on health. If this was your intention then I guess you have achieved your goal.

What would be the point in me posting this within a Vegan or Vegetarian forum?
I told you it is not my goal to get 'likes'
I am sure I would find alot of people that would be able to take part in a Meat/Dairy poll in a Vegan forum?

You obviously have way to much time on your hands to go stalking my previous history.
I admittedly don't spend alot of time on here anymore, I find the site has changed alot over the past few years & I have also found my time has been occupied elsewhere, but I have never stopped helping people with advice & keeping of their reptiles, infact I cant remember the last week that went by that I have not assisted someone with advice, please don't pretend to know me & what I am about because I choose not to eat meat.
I am not sure why you feel the need to make this personal?

I have not said or done anything offensive & I wont apologise for having a different opinion to the majority of people on here, I am not a follower & I never will be.

 

[Gecko :)]

Humans have salivary glands - this is inconsistent with herbivorous mammals

Humans do not have fermentation vats like almost all specialised plant eaters

The relative length and distribution of cells in our digestive system indicates we are an intermediate between a pure carnivore and a herbivore.

Humans cannot survive on a pure herbivorous diet, we at the very least require nuts, fruit, and leaves as well, making us a gramnivore, fruigivore, and a folivore, and by very definition an omnivore.

There simply are not any anatomical traits that would suggest otherwise. The only reasons behind a "vegan" diet will always remain ethical, and a result of "health concerns". Humans however are certainly omnivores and simply put, the fact we can thrive on a mixed diet should be evidence enough without any more investigation.

We have the right to choose what we eat, as a result of the hard working meat eating generations before us. Interestingly, since the vegan movement draw unsupported correlation between facts, can you explain why the average life span on a human has increased proportionaly to the average consumption of red meat? Or the correlation age plays in the distribution of causes of death?

''Many anthropologists and medical experts attest to the fact that humans are completely herbivorous, plant-eating creatures. Dr. William Roberts, editor-in-chief of The American Journal of Cardiology and a professor at Baylor University, states, "Human beings are not natural carnivores. When we kill animals to eat them, they end up killing us because their flesh—which contains cholesterol and saturated fat—was never intended for human beings who are natural herbivores." Dr. Milton Mills wrote an indisputable essay about human physiology as well. In their book The Vegetarian Way, nutritionists Virginia and Mark Messina compiled an easy-to-understand chart comparing human bodies to those of herbivores, omnivores and carnivores. That chart is shown just below:

Let's compare the bodies of humans and herbivores to the bodies of carnivores and omnivores. First, the length of intestines in humans and other herbivores falls somewhere between 7 to 13 times the length of the trunk/torso section of the body (I am being generous compared to the research of Mills and the Messinas). In contrast, the length of intestines in carnivores/omnivores is only 3 to 6 times the length of the trunk/torso. (The length of the trunk/torso is used as the means of comparison rather than overall body length or height because humans are bipedal animals whereas most other animals are quadrupeds.) Moreover, the interior surface of human intestines is heavily fluted and striated, whereas the interior intestinal surfaces of carnivores/omnivores tend to be smooth in comparison. The relatively short intestinal length in carnivores/omnivores, along with the relatively smooth interior surface, allow rotting animal flesh, animal protein, casein, cholesterol, trans fatty acids and the excessive amount of fat found in all animal products to pass through quickly; that is why it's impossible for any real carnivore/omnivore to clog their arteries. Clogged arteries, however, affects more than 50% percent of all meat, dairy and egg-eaters in this day and age! In previous generations atherosclerosis affected around 35% of the meat, dairy and egg-eating population. The only surprising aspect of the aforementioned study was the scientists' refusal to blame animal products as the main cause of atherosclerosis. Scientists, however, like all meat- dairy and egg-eating addicts, succumb to the same idiocy and incoherency of addiction-related problem-solving, too. Fortunately, some medical professionals aren't addicts and are capable of explaining the truth. Dr. William Castelli, director of the Framingham Heart Study (the world's longest running heart study), supports the aforementioned findings with additional claims about cancer rates dropping 60 percent if people stopped eating meat, cheese, milk and eggs. Other dietary and non-dietary factors can affect heart health, too. Sugar, the excessive amount of fat found in oils, stress, a lack of sleep, the excessive amount of refined carbohydrates found in white rice, white bread, and pasta, smoking tobacco, and a lack of exercise can wreak havoc on the body. Therefore, it is essential to eat plant-based foods exclusively, and control the non-dietary factors to the best of your ability.
Humans and other herbivores have carbohydrate digestive enzymes in their saliva, meaning our bodies were created for fruits and vegetables. Animal products have no complex carbohydrates, which is why carnivores/omnivores lack carbohydrate digestive enzymes in their saliva. Many meat, dairy and egg-eaters try disingenuously to exploit the fact that humans are unable to digest cellulose, and discard it during the digestion process. However, cellulose is neither beneficial nor damaging to us in any way, so our inability to digest it is irrelevant. Bonobos, which are humans' closest animal relative as they share 99.5 percent of our DNA, cannot digest cellulose either, and that's because bonobos, like humans, are fruitarians/ frugivores (ultra herbivores). The REAL issue at hand is whether humans can properly process and digest animal protein, casein, cholesterol, the excessive amount of fat found in all animal products, and the 2-9 percent of naturally-occurring trans fatty acids found in meat and dairy, which are the main agents responsible for nearly every disease. The tired and shopworn "argument from cellulose indigestion" is just another diversionary tactic used by meat, dairy, and egg addicts.

Human teeth are broad, short, blunt, flat and spade-shaped like the teeth of other herbivores, not the fanged mouths of carnivores/omnivores. Most herbivores have canines, incisors and molars, which are used for ripping rough foods like apples, carrots or nuts. Some canines are also used for posturing; they are present to strike fear into the heart of any predator thinking about attacking. This is why hippos (vegans) have the fiercest canines on the planet! For the record, many people believe that lions are the kings of the jungle. But if you put a lion in a room with a hippo, the lion would look for a way out because nobody ****s with a hippo! And if you truly think that humans have carnivorous/omnivorous teeth, compare the two with the photograph just below. Then stop at a pet store today and buy a rawhide dog bone (no soft, chewy modern-day nylon bones allowed). When you get home, gnaw on it for a few hours and destroy it with those powerful teeth of yours. ADAPTT hereby absolves itself of any lawsuits when you break and crack your weak little herbivorous teeth and the dentist charges you $10,000 to fix your mouth!

If your lower jaw moves from side to side—and you grind and chew your food—then you are unequivocally herbivorous. The jaws of carnivores/omnivores only move up and down, vertically. They don't chew; they just rip and swallow. Humans sweat through their pores to cool down. We don't pant like dogs, cats or lions to cool ourselves down. There are no claws on the human hand either, although claws are a trademark of the carnivore/omnivore. When we drive down the highway and spot a dead animal on the side of the road, I'm quite sure people don't get excited, start to salivate, come to a screeching halt, jump out of their car, scare the crows away and start munching on the dead animal. Real carnivores/omnivores eat dead, rotting animals on the side of the road. We always cook meat before eating it, even though lions don't have gazelle barbeques in the jungles of Africa.To prove beyond a reasonable doubt that humans are herbivores, place a two-year old child in a crib with a bunny rabbit and an apple. If the child eats the rabbit and plays with the apple, then I'll eat a steak sandwich that's been dipped in ice cream! Humans have no carnivorous/omnivorous instincts whatsoever when we're born, young and growing up. There isn't a speck of carnivorism nor an iota of omnivorism in us. People become inured to the taste of blood, flesh, veins, muscles, tendons, cow secretions [milk], hen-*** droppings [eggs] and bee vomit [honey] after they're forced down our throats during childhood.With all this physiological evidence at hand, one might wonder why many physiologists and evolutionary biologists—even the most brilliant and widely-renowned evolutionary biologists such as Richard Dawkins—would continue to indulge their addiction to meat, dairy products and eggs, and publicly rationalize their addiction in ways that wouldn't do justice to a 13-year-old. The answer is simple and clear-cut: Scientists are human, and because humans are fallible and weak, they fall prey to addictions of all kinds. And when that happens, the rational mind, supposedly invoked to combat the addiction, usually falls by the wayside. It is only when the addict brings what he feels into accord with what he knows, his ethics into accord with the scientific facts, and the contents of his stomach into accord with the contents of his rational brain, that he can break the cycle of addiction that envelops and destroys him''​

 

[Snowman]

yes you are comparing omnivores with carnivores. You really don't understand do you
You have quoted people that are pro vegetarian and not objective at all.

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Humans are Omnivores [h=1]Introduction[/h]There are a number of popular myths about vegetarianism that have no scientific basis in fact. One of these myths is that man is naturally a vegetarian because our bodies resemble plant eaters, not carnivores. In fact we are omnivores, capable of either eating meat or plant foods. The following addresses the unscientific theory of man being only a plant eater.
[h=1]Confusion between Taxonomy and Diet[/h]Much of the misinformation on the issue of man's being a natural vegetarian arises from confusion between taxonomic (in biology, the procedure of classifying organisms in established categories) and dietary characteristics.
Members of the mammalian Order Carnivora may or may not be exclusive meat eaters. Those which eat only meat are carnivores. Dietary adaptations are not limited by a simple dichotomy between herbivores (strict vegetarians) and carnivores (strict meat-eaters), but include frugivores (predominantly fruit), gramnivores (nuts, seeds, etc.), folivores (leaves), insectivores (carnivore-insects and small vertebrates), etc. Is is also important to remember that the relation between the form (anatomy/physiology) and function (behavior) is not always one to one. Individual anatomical structures can serve one or more functions and similar functions can be served by several forms.
[h=1]Omnivorism[/h]The key category in the discussion of human diet is omnivores, which are defined as generalized feeders, with neither carnivore nor herbivore specializations for acquiring or processing food, and who are capable of consuming and do consume both animal protein and vegetation. They are basically *opportunistic* feeders (survive by eating what is available) with more generalized anatomical and physiological traits, especially the dentition (teeth). All the available evidence indicates that the natural human diet is omnivorous and would include meat. We are not, however, required to consume animal protein. We have a choice.
[h=1]The Great Apes[/h]There are very few frugivores amongst the mammals in general, and primates in particular. The only apes that are predominantly fruit eaters (gibbons and siamangs) are atypical for apes in many behavioral and ecological respects and eat substantial amounts of vegetation. Orangutans are similar, with no observations in the wild of eating meat.
Gorillas are more typically vegetarian, with less emphasis on fruit. Several years ago a very elegant study was done on the relationship between body size and diet in primates (and some other mammal groups). The only primates on the list with pure diets were the very small species (which are entirely insectivorous) and the largest (which specialize in vegetarian diet). However, the spectrum of dietary preferences reflect the daily food intake needs of each body size and the relative availability of food resources in a tropical forest. Our closest relatives among the apes are the chimpanzees (i.e., anatomically, behaviorally, genetically, and evolutionarily), who frequently kill and eat other mammals (including other primates).
[h=1]Evidence of Humans as Omnivores[/h][h=2]Archeological Record[/h]As far back as it can be traced, clearly the archeological record indicates an omnivorous diet for humans that included meat. Our ancestry is among the hunter/gatherers from the beginning. Once domestication of food sources began, it included both animals and plants.
[h=2]Cell Types[/h]Relative number and distribution of cell types, as well as structural specializations, are more important than overall length of the intestine to determining a typical diet. Dogs are typical carnivores, but their intestinal characteristics have more in common with omnivores. Wolves eat quite a lot of plant material.
[h=2]Fermenting Vats[/h]Nearly all plant eaters have fermenting vats (enlarged chambers where foods sits and microbes attack it). Ruminants like cattle and deer have forward sacs derived from remodeled esophagus and stomach. Horses, rhinos, and colobine monkeys have posterior, hindgut sacs. Humans have no such specializations.
[h=2]Jaws[/h]Although evidence on the structure and function of human hands and jaws, behavior, and evolutionary history also either support an omnivorous diet or fail to support strict vegetarianism, the best evidence comes from our teeth.
The short canines in humans are a functional consequence of the enlarged cranium and associated reduction of the size of the jaws. In primates, canines function as both defense weapons and visual threat devices. Interestingly, the primates with the largest canines (gorillas and gelada baboons) both have basically vegetarian diets. In archeological sites, broken human molars are most often confused with broken premolars and molars of pigs, a classic omnivore. On the other hand, some herbivores have well-developed incisors that are often mistaken for those of human teeth when found in archeological excavations.
[h=2]Salivary Glands[/h]These indicate we could be omnivores. Saliva and urine data vary, depending on diet, not taxonomic group.
[h=2]Intestines[/h]Intestinal absorption is a surface area, not linear problem. Dogs (which are carnivores) have intestinal specializations more characteristic of omnivores than carnivores such as cats. The relative number of crypts and cell types is a better indication of diet than simple length. We are intermediate between the two groups.
[h=1]Conclusion[/h]Humans are classic examples of omnivores in all relevant anatomical traits. There is no basis in anatomy or physiology for the assumption that humans are pre-adapted to the vegetarian diet. For that reason, the best arguments in support of a meat-free diet remain ecological, ethical, and health concerns.
[Dr. McArdle is a vegetarian and currently Scientific Advisor to The American Anti-Vivisection Society. He is an anatomist and a primatologist.]

 

[Gecko :)]

I think it is you that is having trouble understanding.

You need to understand that you have already had your opinion, you have made your views known loud & clear - no one is forcing you to stick around.
I am not strapping you down & force feeding you my diet so what is your problem?

 

[Snowman]

I have no problem. Do you? I'm simply correcting the fiction you post.

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As it stands people are calling you a troll. Others have said you have offended them and some have tried to explain their point of view which you are not interested in.
I can only guess you are on some sort of vegan campaign or the others are right and you are just being a troll. Which I hope is not true.

 

[Newhere]

We are fruitivores or whatever its called, if we were vegetarians we would not be where we are today. We eat meat because we cover so many different parts of this planet and its the only way to sustain a population of our size and also because it allows us to live in areas that don't support the diet we evolved with. If we all lived like you then we wouldn't have the resources to sustain our population.

Also I could cut out meat and dairy and animal products from my diet but I have noticed that every vegitarian I have met is skinny and judgemental and they all act superior to meat eating people and I would never want to be like that. You say you just want to understand why people eat meat but your intentions and your attitude is obvious and I think you should keep your diet to yourself and stop worrying about other people and what they eat. After all if you did turn us all vegetarian you are going to be paying a fortune for your tofu.

 

[moosenoose]

Without the meat eaters you'd have no such thing as a vegan etc. As a race we wouldn't have survived Man was never designed to simply eat tofu and beans

 

[saximus]

If we all lived like you then we wouldn't have the resources to sustain our population.

I've actually heard that the opposite is true. If the land and resources used to raise things like cattle were actually used for plant based food production, it would be much more productive and efficient. I'll have to wait till I get home on a real computer and research that though (unless someone knows the answer?)

 

[Stuart]

Righty ho.

The original question was not in relation to is being Vegan good for you or why you should convert to it. As it stands, the question was asked if people eat Meat and Dairy with a choice of reasons why. A follow up question was then asked if people have ever thought about a change.

Hi Guys,

I am interested to know who eats Meat & Dairy & if so what is your reasoning for consuming:

Habit
Tradition
Convenience
Taste
'Health'
Other - please advise

Have you ever thought about changing your diet & removing all animal products?

 

[littlemay]

I think everyone here needs to stop thinking about meat and veg and start thinking about taking a nice big chill pill.

 

[Newhere]

Snipercap I'm gonna give a big thumbs down to your previous comment, sometimes a simple question can lead to a debate and this is what has happened. If the thread was ONLY meant for the purpose of having the question answered then gecko wouldn't have tried to convice everybody that eating meat is bad for you and posted various links supporting her theory. Also I feel that MY lifestyle as a meat eater has been insulted and while it may not be an alternative lifestyle you should still protect my opinions and beliefs.

 

[Snowman]

It's clear what the objectives of the op are. Just delete the thread before it damages her reputation too much.

 

[Gecko :)]

What would be the point in closing the Thread? I dont want the thread closed & don't believe it should be.

What do you mean before it damages my reputation too much?

My reputation as a person & as a Reptile breeder has nothing to do with the diet I choose.

 

[Umbral]

Looking at tools from prehistoric man it appears that either we liked to kill animals for fun and clothing or we have eaten meat for a vary long time. This thread is not about what man has evolved to eat though it's about why we eat what we do. If someone only wants to eat wasabi through their nose while standing on their head because it makes them feel healthier it's not up to me to tell them they are wrong..... I would really like to watch them though!