culling a severely deformed p vitticeps hatchling

[Tsubakai]

Accepted doesnt mean its right tho. I personally would go for blunt force but I dont have the confidence that I could do it right the first time. I was going to breed my own rodents but I'm not so sure now. I'm so confused!!!!:?

Practice on dead ones first. Thaw out pre-killed rodents and practice the cervical dislocation method until you are confident of breaking the neck every time.

 

[kakariki]

Exhaust fumes are not good. I had a leaky seal on my car and the fumes came in while I was driving. [Im not sure how]. By the time I got home I felt very ill. I literally fell out of the car and crawled inside. I vomited and had a headache to rival all others! Wouldn't wish that on anything..furry or scaley! Thanks for the advice alex c. Hope I never need it but dreading the day that I will! PS. I might try that Tsubanski! Good thinking

 

[coxy]

Hitting it on the head with a hammer??? Come on.

Go ahead support it if u wish. I am just saying, its not right.

Just because you think its not right doesn't mean it isn't, As has been said already its very humane way of ending life.

Hypothetically , Your cat gets run over by a car, hips and ribs are crushed beyond repair but its still alive, what are you going to do? take it to the vet so it can suffer for another hour before the vet puts it down, no the best thing for the cat would be to put it out of its misery quickly and humanly, its hard but its part of life sometimes, i had to do this to a roo we hit one nigh.

 

[Inkslinger]

[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Melissa Kaplan's[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]
Herp Care Collection
Last updated April 19, 2007 [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Euthanasia of reptiles[/FONT]
http://www.anapsid.org/euth.html

[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Stephen L. Barten DVM, News from the North Bay, Feb 1994[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Euthanasia, the act of humanely killing animals that are hopelessly sick or injured, is a controversial topic. Some people, including animals rights advocates, don't believe euthanasia should ever be performed, regardless of the circumstances. However, many of these same people also oppose other things that herpetologists traditionally do: the keeping of animals in cages, feeding of prey items (rodents, poultry, fish, insects) to carnivorous reptiles and the collection of animals from the wild. (I often wonder if animals rights activists oppose giving a dog a flea bath or treating it for worms, because that would violate the rights of the parasites.)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Most herpetologists and veterinarians alike are strong supporters of animal welfare rather than animal rights--believing that animals may be kept as pets, kept in zoos and used for food and research, but it is our moral obligation to provide them with optimum captive conditions, balanced diets, pay attention to their behavioral needs and keep them from pain and suffering. Occasions arise when the only way to alleviate pain and suffering is to humanely euthanize captive herps. These may include irreversible illness or injury, sacrificing a small number of a larger group to diagnose a disease outbreak or culling an overcrowded collection. Many prey animals, especially rodents, are euthanized prior to feeding them to captive reptiles. This is a special circumstance in that chemical agents should not be used or the reptile eating the euthanized rodent could suffer toxic affects. When euthanasia is performed it must be performed in a humane manner.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Decapitation is an easy way to kill a reptile in that no special equipment or drugs are necessary. Nevertheless, the brain of a decapitated reptile may remain active for up to an hour, so decapitation by itself is inhumane. It may be used if the brain is pithed, or destroyed by the insertion of a probe, immediately afterwards. Some of you may have pithed leopard frogs in high school biology prior to their dissection.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Euthanasia can be done by destroying the brain with a sharp blow to the head, on the middle and just posterior to the eyes. This can be done in an emergency, as when an animal is found hit by a car, grievously injured but not yet dead and no other method is available. This is among the most common methods of euthanizing feeder rodents. Care must be taken to perform this method properly, as a soft or misdirected blow could injure the patient without killing it. Large reptiles (crocodiles, monitors and big tortoises) can be killed with a gunshot of appropriate caliber to the brain.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Inhalation of various gasses can be used to euthanize animals. Some of the gasses that might be used are chloroform, methoxyflurane and carbon monoxide, among others. Disadvantages of this method include the need for some means to deliver the gas to an enclosed chamber holding the patient, the potential risk to the person if improper equipment is used and the difficulty in obtaining some of those agents. I once read a report of rats killed with chloroform causing sedation in the snake that ate him. This method is useful for venomous snakes in that no handling is necessary.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Freezing has been used as a humane method to kill small reptiles under one pound in weight. Although low temperatures do result in a state of torpor, the formation of ice crystals in the tissue is quite painful. Freezing should only be done to anesthetized animals.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]The preferred method of performing euthanasia is the injection of barbiturates into a vein or into the coelomic cavity. This is how dogs and cats are euthanized when it is necessary. The technique is quick and painless, taking only minutes to perform by the intravenous route but up to several hours by the intracoelomic route. The later route should not be used if a post-mortem examination is planned. Barbiturates are controlled substances and must be administered by licensed veterinarians. Aggressive, dangerous or difficult patients may be sedated either by injection or with anesthesia prior to euthanizing. Injectable agents should not be used on animals intended for food.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]In a perfect world euthanasia would never be necessary. Since it sometimes is, the goal of this column is to promote the use of humane methods and to educate readers that some commonly used methods, such as freezing and decapitation, are inappropriate.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Steve Barten, DVM, is a noted reptile veterinarian is, when he is not writing about reptile and other exotic veterinary medicine, or teaching and lecturing at veterinary conferences, in exotics practice in Mundelein, IL.[/FONT]

 

[blurb]

do what i do to put the mice to sleep before i feed them to my snakes. very quickly with a decent amount of force hit it on the back of the head with a spanner that's about 15cm long. That way it has enough weight in it to do the job and isn't to big that you hit your self and splatter the animal everywhere.

 

[Bouncer]

Most wildlife carers keep a hammer in the boot for occasions where animals are found on the roadside with horrific injuries, but still alive. It is the quickest and most humane way to end suffering. I have issues with doing it myself, because I'm a sook. But if it has to be done, it has to be done.

 

[waruikazi]

I hate the CO2 method. The reflex to breath is caused because of a build up of carbon dioxide in the blood. Too much CO2 (like in a gas chamber) the animal starts gasping and feels like it is short of breath, i don't see it as a ery humane way to die. Blunt force is easily the best way.

 

[=bECS=]

Life isn't all rainbows and lollipops.

:cry::cry::cry::cry: you just crushed my dream :lol:

I agree, its was only a hatchie from a clutch, and he was doing it a favour by the sounds of it!
Feeding it to the lacey is a case of waste not, want not.

Some people are way too touchy/sensitive around here. It was a baby lizard that was likely going to die a slow painful death from impaction, not a puppy with a deformed eye or something along those lines.

Now back to my rainbows and lollypops

 

[Reptile_Boy]

stop having a go at him, no one here can say that havnt killed something inhumanley i mean geez and so what he fed it to a lace, wouldnt a lace eat one in the wild? i mean half the stuff of big reptiles diet consists of of rep[tiles , are they killed humanley most of the time no, they could have a slow and painful death. so i dont know why every one is complaining

 

[Chris1]

when i had to kill one of my bf's fish (really bad fungus, was gonna die slowly thruout the day anyway) i put it in a plastic bag and cut its head off with a knife.

felt like crap but it was quick and fro the best,...

 

[waruikazi]

stop having a go at him, no one here can say that havnt killed something inhumanley i mean geez and so what he fed it to a lace, wouldnt a lace eat one in the wild? i mean half the stuff of big reptiles diet consists of of rep[tiles , are they killed humanley most of the time no, they could have a slow and painful death. so i dont know why every one is complaining

But you are forgetting, it was humane.

 

[Reptile_Boy]

yer i know but some people are saying its inhumane so i am just putting that out there, i think it was humane not the best way but i reackon it was

 

[hugsta]

But wouldn't a cold blooded animal go unconcious before reaching freezing temps?

I would imagine before ice started forming in your blood stream you would most likely be dead from hypothermia or pass out as your system shuts down. Either way, I would say you would be dead before you froze. JMO.

 

[=bECS=]

Whats wrong with the way it was done?
Does the saying 'put out of its misey quickly and painless' mean nothing to anyone?

I'd prefer to die quickly with a knock to the head and not knowing whats happened, than being gassed.

 

[GSXR_Boy]

So what wouyld happen if it was born like that in the wild?
The family gather around it, tucked into bed, comforting it and telling it stories about heaven, and how they'll all meet up again someday?
No.Chances are it would either die a slow death or be picked off by a larger predator.
I think you done the right thing and i would have no problem using it as a food item.

 

[DiamondAsh]

Hi Alex, sorry to hear about the bub, and I think you did the right thing.

This thread has cracked me up. From the mice in plastic bags to lollypop land, I'll be smiling for the rest of the day.

(Lucky it was never thought of to feed the lacey live) .....

 

[Nbates]

I just cut their heads off with a stanley knife .. its pretty quick and about as painless as practical.

Yep thats how i culled a baby water dragon a few weeks ago though i used a machette

 

[norris]

I thought when using co2, you were supposed to give a small dose to put the animal to sleep (painlessly) then up the dosage to kill it. So basically it is a sleep when it dies.

 

[Nbates]

Aparently co2 is meant to burn, Some rodent breeder in the UK alegedly stuck his face in a tank full of co2 and he said it burned and was very painfull
Anyways the animal in question is dead now so whats the use of going on about it?

 

[noni]

So what wouyld happen if it was born like that in the wild?
The family gather around it, tucked into bed, comforting it and telling it stories about heaven, and how they'll all meet up again someday?
No.Chances are it would either die a slow death or be picked off by a larger predator.
I think you done the right thing and i would have no problem using it as a food item.

bravo! well said.