Pure Bred Pythons

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  1. kittycat17

    kittycat17 Well-Known Member

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    Wasn't an incomprehensible ranting mess at all and I did think of this myself :)

    True line breeding in cats and dogs has proved to be disastrous for many breeds (not only causing heart defects, breathing issues etc) but if an animal can't give birth on its own eg a bulldog or staffy why would you keep pushing them down that line! So on that I totally agree with you

    I think with the recent obsession of mixing species where morphs are involved that lineages would be good for those still involved in pure and locality animals eg Palmerston jungles, Tanami Womas etc to prove the background of the animal.





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    Interesting that this member gets indignant about possible constraints on who can breed, then, in the same sentence, suggests that in his/her opinion, it should be limited to 'only a handful of people" :)! Getting your otherwise healthy snakes "vet checked" every six months is a total waste of time, and especially money. Without symptoms, the vet can do nothing other than say your snakes are fine, then take your money and send you home. Does the vet take blood pressure, do a full blood workup, examine stools and take cloacal and buccal swabs every time you take it there? No, he just gives it a visual once-over and says it's fine. Any reasonably experienced herp keeper can do that.

    Don't put yourself too far last matey, your snakes need you to be in good health. Can't comment on the quality of your house compared to your enclosures, but I'd love to have a look :)!
     
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    My apologies if I sounded aggressive or if I offended anyone. That certainly was not my intention. What I was trying to say/ask is what particular colors would come out if you mated a jungle with a different type. It could be any other snake for that matter ie, coastals, children't, woma etc I asked the question not to 'breed' but I like to do fantasy drawing and would have liked to integrate some into them.

    Re breeding. Personally I'm not interested in that side of things, I just like to enjoy them and treat them as members of my family. On the other hand I know there are irresponsible breeders out there that are just in it for the money. Which is a shame. Does anyone think it would be possible to have a handful of breeders specializing in a different species in each state? That way you would be definate in knowing the lineage. A lot of people say "Yeah, it's a pure bred" when it's not.

    Also why is everyone against jungle carpets? Sure they may get neurological problems but doesn't every species including humans have one thing or another. I've previously had a few j carpets which had no neurological problems that just passed on from old age. Don't get me wrong. If you have young jg that show neuro problems you definately wouldn't breed from that. Otherwise, they are a beautiful snake. No different to any other. BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER
     
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    kittycat17 Well-Known Member

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    @reen08

    Jungles don't have neurological issues....
    The jaguar morph does cause neurological issues in the snakes that have the morph though


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    pythoninfinite. I was saying maybe have a handful of breeders in each state so you definately know the lineage and that the snakes are well looked after to weed out those that are irresponsible and could not care less about the health and well being of the animal. A bit like dog breeders. To make sure there's no inbreeding, health issues etc.
     
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    kittycat17. Does my post make sense this time or is still mish mash?
     
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    A lil bit mish mash :)
    A few things you've said have been spoken about and moved passed to :)
    Oshkii made good points about line breeding etc


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    Sorry about that. Took a tumble. Head must still be rattling
     
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    reen8, there are pure line breeders in every state but you have to find them, gather references about them and their animals and ultimately, you have to trust them. Unlike in the cats and dogs world, the reptile hobby hasn't got any register or overseeing body that would certify pure line breeders as such. How can a breeder prove his/her lines are pure? Only by accurate and truthful records and pedigrees. When I got my greens DNA profiled (13 years ago) and started issuing certificates with each snake I passed on, people laughed at me, the more arrogant pricks said it's all marketing strategy, etc.. Guess what - my Aussie native GTPs can be imported into NSW today because of my initial efforts. The parody is - I am not breeding or selling any now. :)
     
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    Lol to all the idiots out there and that sucks for us


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    Well didn't that one get well off track. Maybe snapped is correct and it was my post that sent it off the rails.
    I personally see nothing wrong with my comment....am I missing something?
     
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    Nah, your post didn't, I was just replying to another poster that reen08 probably posted in reply to one of your comments. No one's fault, some topics do go off the rails, everyone has different opinions, and some rub people up the wrong way, so there's bound to be some noses out of joint from time to time.
     
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    Yea, I still feel like we got a decent convo out of this to haha


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    Way too late for a breeders register - the damage has already been done, the horse has bolted etc, etc...

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    This has to be one of the best threads for a long time. Well made points that have been made and discussed further. And all without crap.
     
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    Yay!!! Do I get a gold star!!!!


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    yes and you get a unicorn stamp as well
     
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    OMG A UNICORN STAMP


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    For some reason, a blue elephant stamp was top of the heap when I was at school.
     
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    Scratch and sniff stickers over hear

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