Omg

[dickyknee]

I watched it , great show too.
So what they killed a snake , it sucks but that's life in the country .
If it was me and my kids , that far from help I'd have probably done the same , just like if i find a funnel web spider in my house, i don't try to relocate it in case it gets away and hides in my kids shoe....

 

[redbellybite]

WHAT A LOAD OF ABSOLUTE RUBBISH THINKING SOME OF YOU HAVE!!! I have raised 4 kids in RURAL bushland encountering EASTERN BROWNS and REDBELLIED BLACKS often on a daily basis EDUCATE YOUR CHILDREN...DONT SHOW THEM YOUR PANIC AND INSTILL INTO THEIR OWN LITTLE HEADS TO OVER REACT!! KILLING IT ISNT THE ANSWER....teaching them to stay still and call for mummy or daddy is a way better thing or one day silly parents that show this type of behaviour may get a rude shock that their child took matters into their own hands and tried to copy what they had been shown by the redneck thinking and slam a shovel down on a snake only missing the snake cutting off a toe and to top it off get bitten ...senario is just as real as arr its a venomous snake so it must wanna automatically want to do my family harm ...YOUR KIDS HAVE MORE CHANCE OF DYING IN A CAR ACCIDENT then encountering a DEADLY FATAL BITE from a snake ...

 

[Laghairt]

Yeah it sucks the snake had to die but some snakes do pose a very real risks to human life and if it was your family would you be taking the risk? (I didn't watch the show so don't know all the details).

Not sure what I would do if it were my nece and nephew. They are both under 3 and would not recognise a snake as being dangerous since they both love pythons. The youngest would probably try to grab it and give it to me as a present.

Still ,I would prefer not to kill the snake if there was another option, like driving 10 mins down the rd and releasing it.

 

[dickyknee]

2-3 year old kids are not always willing to be educated

 

[Laghairt]

Yeah exactly Dicky.

 

[redbellybite]

2-3 year old kids are not always willing to be educated

AGREED BUT 2-3 year olds shouldnt be left unsupervised outside without adults watching them in the first place now especially on properties where DAMS and other HIGH risk factors such as rain water tanks etc are there ...SO MAYBE THE PARENTS NEED TO BE EDUCATED NOW mmmmmmm just to easy

 

[nicman72]

Have to say, I tend to agree with RBBS on this one... cars kill kids, we don't get rid of all the cars, we teach our kids not to run onto the road. That tv segment just perpetuated the filthy cycle of 'the only good snake is a dead snake'.
For a country so blessed with snakes, I just can't understand why we don't have more public awareness and understanding (and compassion) for them.
That's my 2c.
Nic

 

[redbellybite]

Well Nic sometimes mate blaming the snakes, is so much easier then looking in the mirror and seeing an 'irresponsible' parent now

 

[dickyknee]

Have to say, I tend to agree with RBBS on this one... cars kill kids, we don't get rid of all the cars, we teach our kids not to run onto the road. That tv segment just perpetuated the filthy cycle of 'the only good snake is a dead snake'.
For a country so blessed with snakes, I just can't understand why we don't have more public awareness and understanding (and compassion) for them.
That's my 2c.
Nic

Cars do kill kids , and we do every thing in our power to stop it , we don't just let cars drive around our front lawn where our kids are playing , so why would you allow deadly snakes , spiders or any other harmful thing for that matter ....
I am not saying its ok to kill them , but I can certainly see why some do.

 

[Laghairt]

I'm with Dicky here. Redbelly you of all people shoulld know that even a careful adult can have unexpected snake related accidents through no fault of their own. Imagine if a small child was tagged by the brown that got your husband.

 

[PhilK]

Cars do kill kids , and we do every thing in our power to stop it , we don't just let cars drive around our front lawn where our kids are playing , so why would you allow deadly snakes , spiders or any other harmful thing for that matter ....
I am not saying its ok to kill them , but I can certainly see why some do.

Yep I'm with you here Dicky for sure.

I haven't grown up on a rural country station (and I doubt any of you have either) but have visited many farms in the last few years. There is a huge idea in the country, right or wrong, that any snake is a good snake and that's the way it is like it or not - the fact is there are so many snakes out there they aren't exactly in danger of extinction.

Why not relocate it? Because the nearest snake catcher is 100s if not 1000s of kilometres away and an inexperienced person should NOT be asked to handle/relocate a venomous snake. So you think "the snake proly wont bite ne-body leev it alone lol!!!!!!111".. that might be the case but it might also be the case they have a small child around, or it DOES bite somebody and they need to get to a hospital... which is 100s or 1000s of kms away. You can't blame them for busting out the shovel or shotgun.. and neither can I. There are 1000s of snakes on their property, probably 10s of 1000s but when one comes into house yard it's deady byes.

Not everyone has the luxury of living 10 minutes from a hospital or snake relocator, don't pass judgement without having been in their situation.

 

[redbellybite]

Cars do kill kids , and we do every thing in our power to stop it , we don't just let cars drive around our front lawn where our kids are playing , so why would you allow deadly snakes , spiders or any other harmful thing for that matter ....
I am not saying its ok to kill them , but I can certainly see why some do.

MR KNEE you dont really believe that now do you?
so you take a spear gun to the beach just incase of a shark sighting? you wrap kids up in bubble wrap to play in the park ,cause ya know they could fall and end up with a fatal head injury ,you watch them eat everything carefully as they can choke to death ,no jumping on beds ,no climbing trees ,no riding bikes or things like that ,dont take them to smell flowers ARRRRRRRR BEES have venom too and have been known to kill so must kill all bees ,all dogs must be put down cause kids have been killed by them as well ,ban peanuts ,wrap cars in foam and drive at 10kms an hour ...

RISK HAPPENS EVERYDAY you teach your children to wear seat belts ,you place safety helmuts on their heads to ride bikes,you teach them to swim THEN why not teach them how to act around a venomous or even non venomous snake then?


AND PHIL what happens when the 4 year old starts to venture out into the wider spaces of his huge property KILL all those snakes as well then?

 

[dickyknee]

Bubble wrap , bees , flowers ... really stretching it there

Any way , i am not a snake killing red neck , nor do i care if others are , I am making the point if my kid is in danger i try to prevent it , pretty simple really.

MR KNEE you dont really believe that now do you?
so you take a spear gun to the beach just incase of a shark sighting? you wrap kids up in bubble wrap to play in the park ,cause ya know they could fall and end up with a fatal head injury ,you watch them eat everything carefully as they can choke to death ,no jumping on beds ,no climbing trees ,no riding bikes or things like that ,dont take them to smell flowers ARRRRRRRR BEES have venom too and have been known to kill so must kill all bees ,all dogs must be put down cause kids have been killed by them as well ,ban peanuts ,wrap cars in foam and drive at 10kms an hour ...

RISK HAPPENS EVERYDAY you teach your children to wear seat belts ,you place safety helmuts on their heads to ride bikes,you teach them to swim THEN why not teach them how to act around a venomous or even non venomous snake then?

 

[waruikazi]

I'm with Dicky here. Redbelly you of all people shoulld know that even a careful adult can have unexpected snake related accidents through no fault of their own. Imagine if a small child was tagged by the brown that got your husband.

Imagine indeed. So how do you minimise the risks involved when a young child has an encounter with a dangerous snake?

I have a higher education background in early childhood education and child psychology. I've worked with kids aging from infants right through to young adults (with the majority of my work being with 5 to 7 year olds) over the past seven years, i am an uncle and i am a current snake catcher/relocator. So i do consider myself to be able to talk with authority in this context.

Children that age will model their parents behaviour. The children, if they saw what their parent did, will learn that the best course of action is to kill the snake. If their parent stood still or walked away their children will learn that they should stay still or walk away in that situation.

So Anouc, you tell me which of the above two scenarios is the safest option for both a child and an adult. Which scenario would more likely lead to a small child being bitten by the brown that bit Nat's husband?

 

[Laghairt]

I never said anything about doing it in front of a child, or even doing it at all if you read my posts properly. All I said was that I can understand the rationale (which I think most reasonable people would). As I said I didn't watch the show so don't know what happened. I'm at work so can't get ionto a debate right now.

Cheers

 

[redbellybite]

Dicky yeah fully can comprehend that as a parent of 4 myself ,I would go to all means of protecting my brood as well ...BUT in all honesty what does it say about a REPTILE FORUM that is suppose to have passion and respect for all reptiles including the more deadly bunch ,if say a newbe or non loving reptile person ventures on here and takes a read at the so called snake lovers site and reads its OK to kill snakes cause its better then educating your family on what is the best approach ...

How do we get that point across ,if some of our members support the act itself ?

 

[redbellybite]

I never said anything about doing it in front of a child. As I said I didn't watch the show so don't know what happened. I'm at work so can't get ionto a debate right now.

Cheers

IF you are removing the child away from the situation so as to not kill the snake in front of him/her ...then really you have defused the danger already by taking the kid away and can walk away yourself now ...mmmmmm why kill it if the threat of it biting your child has now gone?

AND DONT YOU LOT THINK THAT THE FACT I HAVE SEEN WHAT A BITE CAN DO ...DOES THAT GIVE ME MORE OF AN EXCUSE TO KILL A EB OR ANOTHER VEN NOW ? answer is HELL NO ....I dont blame the snake and niether does my husband ...I hate spiders with a passion but would rather get someone to remove them then kill them ...its my crazy phobia that tells me to kill them BUT reality that keeps me from doing so.

 

[Laghairt]

Previous post restated.

IF you are removing the child away from the situation so as to not kill the snake in front of him/her ...then really you have defused the danger already by taking the kid away and can walk away yourself now ...mmmmmm why kill it if the threat of it biting your child has now gone?

 

[PhilK]

I don't think anybody here is advocating the killing of snakes or saying it is OK or supporting the act? I think people are seeing both sides of the argument (as all rational people should) and trying to the put themselves into others shoes and understanding why some people act the way they do.

I have a passion for dogs too redbelly, but if one attacks a child then I will be the first to put the mongrel down... just because one is passionate about something doesn't mean we blind ourselves to reason.

If we go with gordo's explanation we cannot blame these people.. it is highly probably when they were 5-7 years old their parents killed snakes on the property, and their parents parents and so on so it is engrained within them. Is that right? Perhaps not but it is the way it is.. they don't see the situation defused until the snake is dead. If they leave it alone it will crawl off to who knows where. Perhaps under a roof tile? You can imagine the consequences that would have out there..

 

[redbellybite]

PHIL .... some do agree in killing venomous snakes on here I am afraid to say ..
DOGs that have attacked well so be it ..but a dog that is standing there and hasnt bitten a child near by doesnt get a bullet now, yet a snake that is sunning itself in the yard and hasnt even bitten or shown threat gets the chop for the PHOBIA instilled in people ...thats my point ...not all snake encounters regardless of venomous or not need the shovel treatment ...if the snake is resting on your kids foot or about to strike a child then I can understand that action ..but just being there in the yard is hogwash and I wont budge on that type of thinking action I am afraid .