What is it with corn snakes????

[smegalreptileboy]

To just put them on the license?, how would that possibly help?.

to stop the beautiful reptiles getting killed and to stop them getting illegal ship in and put them through quarantine so theirs no risk off decease's how would u now if ur neighbours mates got some illegally shiped in and touch them then come over and touch ur reptiles it happens and if they make a licence for them and make it to hard and charge to much for it then now ones going to do it wat people have to learn is where not going to stop them getting shipped in so lets make it legal and do it properly if we dont where only going to loose our younger reptile keepers to exotic snakes where already loosing some of the experienced reptile keepers to them because they carnt sell their stock any more cause every one breading the same looking animals this is y morphing is working so good and i remember when some off u experienced reptile keepers picked on little kids for talking about morphing no use a breading them and selling them imo use picked on the little kids so use can be the first to do it but where getting off subject and their is more reasons i can think off but im not going to put them in hear

to stop the beautiful reptiles getting killed and to stop them getting illegal ship in and put them through quarantine so theirs no risk off decease's how would u now if ur neighbours mates got some illegally shiped in and touch them then come over and touch ur reptiles it happens and if they make a licence for them and make it to hard and charge to much for it then now ones going to do it wat people have to learn is where not going to stop them getting shipped in so lets make it legal and do it properly if we dont where only going to loose our younger reptile keepers to exotic snakes where already loosing some of the experienced reptile keepers to them because they carnt sell their stock any more cause every one breading the same looking animals this is y morphing is working so good and i remember when some off u experienced reptile keepers picked on little kids for talking about morphing no use a breading them and selling them imo use picked on the little kids so use can be the first to do it but where getting off subject and their is more reasons i can think off but im not going to put them in hear

lol neighbours and mates

 

[Jackrabbit]

Agreed. But i think we should be allowed to keep some exotics only on a class 5 licence or something like that only for the experienced keepers on the condition that they cant breed them.

Given we can't stop the exotics from coming into the country, how do you expect to stop those that have them from breeding them?

 

[Exotic_Doc]

Mate i dont think it will work. There is no way you can control illegal breeding and management of exoticsl. From what i understand ,your saying that the prices of our natives have to be dropped in order to rival the exotics when a newbie wants to buy his first snake and do it legit? If you cant control them when they are illegal, there is no way you can control them if they are . You would lose grasp of exotic management and breeding, possibily with deadly results. Btw mate i really dont want to criticize but your grammar is BADD( bye, bread, brang( this word does not exist in the english language), siad,wazernt,paiy)? I am only saying this because im finding it really hard to grasp the point you are trying to get across. No offence intended at all cheers btw whether it works or not i think this is a good discussion

 

[Khagan]

I think you have a kinda naive view on how things work Smegalreptileboy =p. Putting them on licence legally would have no effect, as i stated people even keep our legal natives off licence. It's the fact of people will defy any rules/laws 'just cause they can', not everyone cares to do things legally. They are flying under the radar right now and paying nothing, why would they change it. Plus these days, not many things need to be smuggled in. By now we have so many exotics here they'd be bred and even have (insert number here) generation Australian captive bred exotics.

 

[cma_369]

Nah these snapping turtles were not stolen from the reptile park, they have been smuggled into australia.
I know this because a guy i was chatting to at a pet shop mentioned that he had one of them in the past, but it got to big for his 5 ft tank and a tad to vicious for him to deal with so he passed it onto some one else.
People can get anything through the border still be it drugs, firearms or even exotics.

 

[wranga]

people speed, people park where they shouldnt, people take drugs, people keep exotics. your never going to stop it. just get over it and accept their here to stay. you dont have to agree and keep one yourself

 

[giglamesh]

i wanted a hedgehog about a year ago but found out they were illegal so that cut the idea into pieces.
maybe there should be another amnesty like the one they had previously. perhaps they would then get an idea on how large the issue is and perhaps change the rules and regulations.

 

[garthy]

people speed, people park where they shouldnt, people take drugs, people keep exotics. your never going to stop it. just get over it and accept their here to stay. you dont have to agree and keep one yourself

"getting over it" is condoning their behaviour

 

[Red-Ink]

not trying to be negative here but with so many "sightings" I've heard over the years....... still no pics though, just makes me wonder

 

[Dannyboi]

Zeeza put a pic up the other day about the one the boy down the road found it was a nice looking one too.

 

[saximus]

I remember a member posted pics on here of a corn that her neighbour supposedly found. I'm not commenting on the validity of this claim but she got slammed for it. Maybe people don't want the same reaction

 

[Red-Ink]

Zeeza put a pic up the other day about the one the boy down the road found it was a nice looking one too.

Point me to the thread please

 

[MrSpike]

I'd rather see all you idiot's euth'd just so I stop seeing the same fricken thread every month.

If your all so worried about conservation go run over some cats or shoot some foxes.

 

[saximus]

Point me to the thread please

http://www.aussiepythons.com/forum/general-discussion-42/well-will-look-found-154167/

 

[Jay84]

I'd rather see all you idiot's euth'd just so I stop seeing the same fricken thread every month.

If your all so worried about conservation go run over some cats or shoot some foxes.

lol

 

[Dannyboi]

I'd rather see all you idiot's euth'd just so I stop seeing the same fricken thread every month.

If your all so worried about conservation go run over some cats or shoot some foxes.

8 foxes per square kilometer in suburbia no one has any idea how close and real the problem is. My brother helped with the conservation effort with cats the other day. Poor thing.

 

[benjamind2010]

Chance of establishment, about 50%.
Chance of colonisation, about 25%.
Chance of becoming an environmental pest (think more corn snakes found in the wild than say carpet or diamond pythons in coastal NSW) about 12.5%.

All up, a compound risk of about 20% +/- 5%.

Is this too high a risk, or is it manageable?

I'm also of the educated opinion that breeders who have established large numbers of breeding stock wouldn't want Australian government to legalise or license exotics because that would pose a lot of competition on these breeder's business model. So, I guess that's why they don't want them here. It's not that they pose a significant environmental threat because that's already proven beyond reasonable doubt that escaped non-natives can be problematic, but why are people allowed to keep cats and dogs then? Why are people allowed to keep rabbits, rats, guinea pigs, mice, exotic birds, exotic fish?

I've been studying this issue for a few months now, and it seems to be all about REPTILES. Sorry, but it smacks of something other than environmental conservation. It's more likely that people in positions of power do not like snakes (very understandable - when I was 10 I hated snakes and I only found out that most snakes were harmless when I was 19) or the market is so small and condensed that the breeders in the most advantageous position (and most likely to have the biggest say) just say NO because they don't want people breeding $100 snakes that are 10 times prettier than snakes that these breeders are asking several hundred dollars a piece for.

It can't get any simpler than that, and that is how I am looking at it now.