Gay Discrimination

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Making a joke out of it may not be a huge issue, the issue is via the internet your joke may be taken out of context by some. I am very comfortable in myself and jokes like this do not affect me mentally anymore. But for a young gay person, or someone who is not comfortable in themselves could read your comment and this could offend them or hurt them. That is the issue.

I do feel for you that your wife left you. My second cousin got married, had kids, always knew he was gay. One day he could not continue living the lie and left his wife. This is caused by unacceptance! Your wife, my cousin etc etc.... they got married and lived the normal life becuase it was expected of them.. It is awful, but what else could they do. Yes it is kinda selfish on their part,but surely it is clear how and why it happened?

I am pleased to say that my cousin and his ex wife and kids are the best of friends, luckily at the end of the day it is a happy ending for them. I understand it is not the same for most. If there is equality and acceptance then these kind of stories would not exist, or to a lesser extent. As gay people wouldn't feel forced to marry and have kids to please society.

ok im sorry if it gets taken that way over the net but like i said i have a gay friend who jokes all the time so i dont think twice about it.
as far as the ex wife thing the only thing i hold against her is that i can no longer watch a adult movie staring two females LOL (sorry but that is funny!!)

 

[kawasakirider]

Well not every Christian religion has gone to war e.g. Jehovahs Witnesses. Being gay isn't a natural thing, that's why we have the different sexual organs to each other, but it is a personal opinion whether or not being gay is right. It is also someones personal choice to be gay and we shouldn't judge people for that

Your sexual tendencies have to do with your DNA and the glands that secrete sex hormones. There's often a chemical imbalance, leading one to have no choice regarding the sex they are attracted to. Much like a woman being trapped inside a mans body.

Believe it or not, my dad isn't intolerable of gays. He's just freaked out at the idea of his own being gay. To be honest, I don't blame him. I wouldn't want my son to grow up in a tough world and have it tougher than it should be, plus I'd like grandchildren, I guess.

What is the deal with bisexual? Seems it's somewhat of trendy thing, but from a biological standpoint I can't understand one person being attracted to both sexes. Not that I'm opposed to it, haha.

 

[Snowman]

pfft who cares...

 

[kawasakirider]

kawasaki, technically that is correct, but there is a difference between that and a legal age for same sex sexual relations.

The whole thrown out of home thing is what I'm worried about... all my friends know, and I was pleased that I never copped any flak for it at school, but my family is fairly religious.

I've hidden things from my parents that I was SURE I'd cop a huge amount of flack for, my fathers an ex homicide det. Sgt. and a real hardass. I've done some stupid things in my 19 years... But every time the truth has come out (and it does) he is always more understanding than I give him credit for.

You are still their son, you have always been that way, albeit in secret, so you should point out the fact that they accepted you before, now you're the same person, just instilling trust in them.

It will more than likely be a shock... But I'm sure they'd accept it if it meant keeping the relationship with their son healthy.

 

[mje772003]

Well If it wasn't for right wing religious extremists the world would be a more tolerable place being gay is not a choice from experience. All we ask for is to be treated and given the same rights On the subject of coming out I had no choice in the matter my parents outed me i didn't want to come out at the time but over 10 yrs on I am proud of who i am but i don't rub it in anyones faces and i don't act femine like most people stereo type i'm just an every day guy that likes other guys and i don't think anyone has the right to judge others.

 

[kawasakirider]

If you didn't come out, how did your parents know to out you, if you don't act overly feminine? Just curious.

 

[harley0402]

I dont have anything wrong with being gay or not but the only thing i can not stand is when you have a guy who is gay and they act insanely and stupidly girly, you know what i mean ? and also lesbians who act like men. I mean if you like girls and you are a girl, you dont need to act like a man. I know a few girls that like girls and they look and act like dirty old truckers or something. It is quite off putting.......

 

[mje772003]

i was in year 11 or 12 in school and my folks were renovating the house and moved some furniture into my room at the time i had a muscle mag and a mag called outrage they had a look through and when i came home they confronted me they didn't like it at first but they came around.

 

[SYNeR]

I dont have anything wrong with being gay or not but the only thing i can not stand is when you have a guy who is gay and they act insanely and stupidly girly, you know what i mean ? and also lesbians who act like men. I mean if you like girls and you are a girl, you dont need to act like a man. I know a few girls that like girls and they look and act like dirty old truckers or something. It is quite off putting.......

This is the misogyny I'm talking about. What's wrong with feminine men who act girly? Why is acting girly a wrong thing?
And what is wrong with masculine lesbians?

I guess as time goes on, research in areas such as psychology, neuroscience and so forth will shed light on this. But, in my opinion, I think that sexuality and gender expression are largely correlated. That is, gender expression is a way of mate selection. In the 'normal' straight population, a female brain & gender expression is congruent with a female sexual orientation, and vice-versa.

Thus, gay men have a female wired brain as far as sexual orientation goes, and their brain is wired for more feminine gender expression. This doesn't hold true all the time, and exists to varying degrees, of course.

 

[kawasakirider]

This is the misogyny I'm talking about..

Misogyny is the hatred of women, I don't see how she displayed even the feintest dislike for women. I agree with everything else you said, though.

I know a few girls that like girls and they look and act like dirty old truckers or something. It is quite off putting....

Funniest quote in this thread.

 

[harley0402]

This is the misogyny I'm talking about. What's wrong with feminine men who act girly? Why is acting girly a wrong thing?
And what is wrong with masculine lesbians?

I guess as time goes on, research in areas such as psychology, neuroscience and so forth will shed light on this. But, in my opinion, I think that sexuality and gender expression are largely correlated. That is, gender expression is a way of mate selection. In the 'normal' straight population, a female brain & gender expression is congruent with a female sexual orientation, and vice-versa.

Thus, gay men have a female wired brain as far as sexual orientation goes, and their brain is wired for more feminine gender expression. This doesn't hold true all the time, and exists to varying degrees, of course.

Maybe you should re read my post buddy, there is a difference between a masculine woman and a lesbian who acts like a pig and there is a difference between a faminine man and a gay guy acting like an idiot. Gay or lesbiane people do not need to over exaggerate their gayness for the lack of a better word. This is why people see them as different because of the way they act. A man can be gay but doesnt have to resort to acting like a 14 year old school girl. I know a few people who are gay but you wouldnt know it just by looking at them, yet at the same time they dont hide the fact either, they just dont put on a show and i respect them for being civilised human beings

 

[grimbeny]

I know a few people who are gay but you wouldnt know it just by looking at them, yet at the same time they dont hide the fact either, they just dont put on a show and i respect them for being civilised human beings

Out of choice or fear of retrobution? And before you answer this, I would like to point out that you cant.

 

[harley0402]

neither, becauce there is no reason to belittle themselves just to show the world they are gay. they are confortable with their sexuallity and it is no one elses business. The point i am trying to make is that a homosexual person does not need to act the way most do to get there sexuallity across to the world. If they are confortable with it, why do they try and get noticed so much ???

....and i just did

 

[grimbeny]

Maybe they are doing it for none of those reasons. Most people know that you cant act overly feminen and be taken seriously, especially if you are a male. Almost all of the rich and powerful woman dress, cut their hair and have mannerisms that are mostly male. It is impossible to determine if any particular homosexual is acting in a particular way by choice or to leave a particular impression. From experience I think most gay men who act feminen are more confident and have less to prove than those who act like 'blokes'.

 

[SYNeR]

Misogyny is the hatred of women, I don't see how she displayed even the feintest dislike for women. I agree with everything else you said, though.



Funniest quote in this thread.

Because gay men are scolded for acting feminine. This is based on a deep-seated misogyny in society. If men act like
women, they're treated as if they've stooped to a new low and ridiculed. Instead, men are expected to hold on to their
male/masculine privilege.

 

[Southern_Forest_Drag]

I think its the males who are 40+ who seem to have a problem with gays they havn't moved with the times, i can tell you most of my mates females/males dont really care if someone bats for the same team, infact i have numerous mates who are gay/bisexual.

 

[abnrmal91]

I don't understand why people have such a problem with someone being gay. Why is it that because someone has a different sexual preference to what is seen as mainstream, they then aren't allowed to happy with the person they love. What does it have to do with anyone else.
I think everyone should be allowed to be happy with who they want to be.

 

[SYNeR]

Maybe you should re read my post buddy, there is a difference between a masculine woman and a lesbian who acts like a pig and there is a difference between a faminine man and a gay guy acting like an idiot. Gay or lesbiane people do not need to over exaggerate their gayness for the lack of a better word. This is why people see them as different because of the way they act. A man can be gay but doesnt have to resort to acting like a 14 year old school girl. I know a few people who are gay but you wouldnt know it just by looking at them, yet at the same time they dont hide the fact either, they just dont put on a show and i respect them for being civilised human beings

Who are you to say gender expression should be suppressed? It's an extremely judgmental thing to say that feminine behaviour is 'over the top' or vice-versa. I find the behaviour of straight people (which is rammed down our throats daily) to be over the top and frankly quite brainwashing.

Perhaps that's just how they are? How does overt gender expression make someone uncivilised? What a ridiculous claim.
Are you suggesting we should all adhere to some normative definition of gender expression and make people suppress who they are?
Behavioural modification?

Maybe they are doing it for none of those reasons. Most people know that you cant act overly feminen and be taken seriously, especially if you are a male. Almost all of the rich and powerful woman dress, cut their hair and have mannerisms that are mostly male. It is impossible to determine if any particular homosexual is acting in a particular way by choice or to leave a particular impression. From experience I think most gay men who act feminen are more confident and have less to prove than those who act like 'blokes'.

And this is what I was saying before. Feminine men aren't taken seriously. Rich & powerful women are in the same boat unless they gravitate towards masculinity. Femininity is just not taken seriously (for no discernible reason I can think of)

This is why I said there's a deep-seated misogyny in society.

 

[harley0402]

Who are you to say gender expression should be suppressed? It's an extremely judgmental thing to say that feminine behaviour is 'over the top' or vice-versa. I find the behaviour of straight people (which is rammed down our throats daily) to be over the top and frankly quite brainwashing.

Perhaps that's just how they are? How does overt gender expression make someone uncivilised? What a ridiculous claim.
Are you suggesting we should all adhere to some normative definition of gender expression and make people suppress who they are?
Behavioural modification?

You are completly missing the point and i didnt say anything of the sort, if you are just going to put words in everybodies mouths then this thread is going to go on forever....... pull your head in and understand what is being said.

 

[kawasakirider]

I find the behaviour of straight people (which is rammed down our throats daily) to be over the top and frankly quite brainwashing..

Then you are guilty of exactly the same thing you are accusing her of. Hypocrisy...? I don't see many straight people being openly straight to the point it is in your face. There's nothing wrong with holding hands and giving a kiss in public, whether you're gay, or straight. It is the gay people that go about it in a very obvious way (not that I care, just making a point that you seem to miss).

To say that you are misanthropic is just as bad as anything else, because you hate the majority of everything.