Say yes to the Jag

[ronhalling]

Wow, i thought we had some nice Carpets here in OZ but after watching this short video ReptillisHerps Carpet Python Morph Collection - YouTube i found a pile of drool on my puter desk and had a sudden urge to drag my wife off to the bedroom, these are amazing..................................................................Ron

 

[RSPcrazy]

Don't get me wrong, I'm a BIG fan of snake racks, I have a couple my self, but it makes me sick to see snakes in tubs that they have clearly out grown and can hardly turn around in, especially when the snake is a highly arboreal species and has nothing to climb on.

 

[joelysmoley]

I agree with RSPcrazy, but i really liked that last jag in the video.

 

[thomasssss]

Don't get me wrong, I'm a BIG fan of snake racks, I have a couple my self, but it makes me sick to see snakes in tubs that they have clearly out grown and can hardly turn around in, especially when the snake is a highly arboreal species and has nothing to climb on.

if you read the comments his apparently upgrading them within the week ( that was 5 months ago ) but i agree with what your saying

op , just curious but what exactly are you getting at with the thread tittle

 

[TheJoyces]

They are really pretty but yeah like most people have said I don't agree with how they are kept. But that's just my opinion. Beautiful snakes though.

 

[Bananapeel]

and had a sudden urge to drag my wife off to the bedroom,

Lol. Um seriously though I agree with the others, give them more room! Especially to climb.
nice snakes but I just can't like jags no matter how beautiful they are.
But a good vid.

 

[Ramsayi]

Since you are on the subject of youtube why don't you have a look at the vids after searching "jag python neuro".

 

[TheJoyces]

Since you are on the subject of youtube why don't you have a look at the vids after searching "jag python neuro".

Severe Jaguar Nuero Issues - YouTube

Ok I was a little bit annoyed with this. "People don't like to talk about this, but this does happen, and no one will want it because of it's problem" then later on goes "there's no denying it, Jags have problems" I'm assuming he's going to have it put down humanely. But how would I know? I just think it's quite sad that these are bred knowing the complications. As much as I like the look of them, I coudln't honeslty commit myself to breeding or supporting an industry where you are unaware of how many suffer from these types of problems. However to each their own, like I always say.

 

[Hamalicious]

If they were natural, i would like them, but i just cant get past the fact that they are a genetic shamble created only for their looks, instead of having a nice pet.
The main problem i have though, is like a few people have already mentioned, the tub sizes. I have never actually seen a morph breeder who keeps their snakes in enclosures. It is always empty tubs with newspaper and a water bowl. The snakes are just kept in the smallest tub possible, even if they did have enough space to turn around, what kind of life is that? These poor animals are just used to create the next line of genetic mutations, no morph is good enough, it's always the next one that the keeper is excited about.

No animal deserves to be kept in these conditions their whole life. Hatchlings to yearlings in tubs i understand, But adult snakes and even adult burms or huge boas, It's just disgusting and cruel. People seem to have convinced themselves that snakes don't need a lot of room, so there for, keeping them in tiny, plastic tubs is acceptable. Just because a snake can survive in these conditions, doesnt mean they should.

I hope this morph trend never takes off here like it has in America.

 

[Bananapeel]

Thankyou hamalicious I couldn't think of a better way to put it and someone who fully thinks the exact same way I feel. We can never be satisfied and I think it's truly horrible that we neglect snakes like this and breed them for the beauty despite the snake having neuro. They don't care. They want beauty and if they have to mess up the pure lines and bring neuro into the snakes then so be it. It's quite sick actually.
snakes are living and don't deserve to be treated like experiments and money makers. IMO they deserve more than most of us as they're not the ones doing stupid things to other living things.

 

[Burnerism]

We can thank greedy money hungry big breeders for mass producing this disgusting gene instead of taking the time to develop RPM lines. Defently some beautiful looking healthy jags around but having them is not worth also having the ones with neuro problems especially when there is an alternative. Bananapeel is right aswell that consumers are to blame just as much as it's human nature to want the new bright shiny toy. To many people seeing $$ signs then to give a rats about animal welfare. P.s I have no problem with morphs there's some awesome jags and carpondros but watching a neuro snake spaz around is appalling.

 

[Bananapeel]

+1 snakes don't need messing up to look beautiful. I find it very exciting when things like paradox albinos pop up and pied childrenis etc as they are naturally occurring and a miracle of nature. I love that the hobby is naturally developing and we are able to keep albino spotteds because nature made it so. Not because of some sick people who can't appreciate what is offered to us.

 

[The_Geeza]

We can thank greedy money hungry big breeders for mass producing this disgusting gene instead of taking the time to develop RPM lines. Defently some beautiful looking healthy jags around but having them is not worth also having the ones with neuro problems especially when there is an alternative. Bananapeel is right aswell that consumers are to blame just as much as it's human nature to want the new bright shiny toy. To many people seeing $$ signs then to give a rats about animal welfare. P.s I have no problem with morphs there's some awesome jags and carpondros but watching a neuro snake spaz around is appalling.

U mean RP not RPM as these r Jags
Ta
Pete

 

[IceWhiteFreak]

I think I'm starting to get neuro problems from reading noob posts...

 

[Variety]

Since you are on the subject of youtube why don't you have a look at the vids after searching "jag python neuro".

7th post in, the purists are getting slowerrr
pick up your game

 

[Hamalicious]

Gotta love all natural Aussie snakes! Cant beat them

 

[Bananapeel]

True that ^^^

 

[sara_sabian]

I'm not going to weigh in on yet another jag debate but I would like to point out that the jag gene was a random occurance just like the pied gene and albinism. No one microwaved eggs or anything to create them, it is reasonable to assume that something like the jag gene could present itself in wild populations just as albinism has. The jag gene is every bit as 'naturally occurring' and a 'miracle of nature' as is every other gene that's been mentioned in this thread.

Admittedly the jag gene has been played with perhaps more than the other mutations and the jag gene certainly has its drawbacks (as do other mutations) but they are no more man-made than any other mutation. Man exploited maybe, man-made? No.

 

[Sleazy.P.Martini]

The jag gene is also naturally occurring...

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Ooops Sara beat me

 

[Burnerism]

My bad! Yes it may be naturally occurring but unlike other weak genes like albinism we are not causing animal suffering by privately keeping them and exploiting it.