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Hi all,

The aim of this thread is to provide some preliminary information on a research project we have been conducting on the growth and development of Children's pythons. The following abstract was presented at CARA, and provides a general account of the trial methods and results so far.

At this point it should be noted that this is preliminary data and the study is ongoing. It should also be noted that contrary to the opinions and views of certain prominant entities within the reptile industry, animal welfare has been the central theme of this project, and in conjunction with other aspects of captive management, is the ongoing focus of the study.

Prior to reading the abstract and associated graphs, there are several importaint points to consider;

1) Once again, this is preliminary data - the study is ongoing. Results of the study when complete will be published elsewhere
2) Feeding is voluntary. This must be stressed.
3) The trial was, and is, conducted under carefully controlled experimental conditions.
4) The project has ACEC approval (obviously)
5) This is not to be considered as a guide to feeding. No responsibility will be taken for the actions of any individual as a result of implementing the feeding practices employed in this study. See point #3. This may be seen as negating any validity of the data, but as most of you would be aware, there are some very silly people out there.

Finally, and most importantly, we are experienced keepers and breeders who have an interest in the animals we study. This research, whilst producing knowledge that is 'obvious' to some people, is nonetheless producing data that is new and has potential application for the average keeper. I look forward to seeing the ensuing debate and discussion. I'm sure Hazzard will answer any questions you may have about the project and potential applications.

Jason

Growth and development of children’s pythons (Antaresia childreni) in captivity.

Flesch, J.S., Wolf, L, and Duncan, M.
University of Western Sydney

Pythons are a commonly-kept reptile easily maintained in captivity, with the children’s python often regarded as a ‘starting’ reptile for many young keepers. Accordingly, this species has been bred in large numbers to supply this demand and is anecdotally, the most commonly maintained python species in Australia. However, whilst there are some basic published guidelines on their captive management and feeding, there have been no definitive studies on their nutritional requirements for growth, development, reproductive performance and overall health. This study aims to provide such information for the species, with preliminary data provided in this paper.

In May 2007, pythons (n=37) were randomised by weight and sex and allocated to a feeding treatment of either low intake (L) and fed 10% of weight in food items weekly or high intake (H) and fed up to 30% of their weight in food items weekly. Animals were housed in plastic tubs maintained at 30°C with a 12:12 photoperiod with ad libitum water, hide boxes and paper substrate. Animals were weighed weekly to determine their intake of frozen/thawed mice which increased incrementally with python size. Snout-vent length (SVL) and head width (HW) were measured every four weeks and shedding intervals recorded.

L and H treatments consumed a weekly average of 10.6% and 16.7% of food items respectively over the study period, with no significant difference in food intake between males and females (p=0.797). Energy intake from L and H treatments was 717 (SEM±6.6) and 4671(SEM±51.6) kcal respectively. Weight change between feeding treatments was significant (p<0.001), with L pythons increasing 43g over the study period with a mean weight of 63.8g (SEM±11.7). H pythons had a mean weight increase of 299g with a treatment weight mean of 329.7g (SEM±118.6). There were no apparent differences in metabolic efficiency between feeding treatments, with a mean of 0.064kcal consumed for each gram of weight gain.

SVL and HW differed significantly between feeding treatments (p<0.001), although the relationship was linear (y=80.90x–371.0, r2=0.901). There were no significant differences between sexes within treatments (p=0.526) or on the rate of SVL and HD increase between treatments (p=0.837), indicating that the growth response to food intake was similar. There were significant differences in shedding rates and intervals between L and H treatments, with L pythons shedding on average 4.6 (SEM±0.9) times over the study period or every 64 days and H pythons shed on average 7.7 (SEM±1.1) times or every 38 days.

Preliminary data provided by this study has demonstrated that children’s pythons are self-limiting in their food intake, even when offered what is essentially an ad libitum diet. Although feed intake did have a highly significant effect on growth rates, the differing feeding regimens did not impact morphometric ratios or efficiency of utilisation of feed items. Additional phases of this research will investigate the effects of these feeding treatments on reproductive performance and body composition.
 
Some Figures on CP Growth

This graph provides an indication on firstly, the rate of weight gain of Children's pythons on a high level of food intake, and secondly, the level of biological variance within animals in the same feeding treatment. Lines of 'best fit' have been plotted for the five largest and five smallest animals in the high intake (30%) feeding treatment.

The heaviest animals are currently breeding. The reproductive performance of these animals will be measured as part of this study.
 

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Morphometrics

'Pinhead syndrome'. This is one of the most commonly discussed phenomenons related to 'powerfeeding' or whatever terms people use to describe providing large (optimal?) quantities of food to growing animals. This data indicates that there are no significant differences between the morphometric indices of head width/SVL with Children's pythons to 12 months of age. Put simply, the proportions of the animals on high intake diets are not different to those of animals on restricted intake diets.
 

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Size differences between treatment groups

The following picture illustrates the size difference between animals in high and low intake feeding treatments - students are holding the snakes (not Hazzard and myself for those of you that don't know us!) This photo was taken in February when the animals were approximately 12 months old.
 

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'Pinhead syndrome'. This is one of the most commonly discussed phenomenons related to 'powerfeeding' or whatever terms people use to describe providing large (optimal?) quantities of food to growing animals. This data indicates that there are no significant differences between the morphometric indices of head width/SVL with Children's pythons to 12 months of age. Put simply, the proportions of the animals on high intake diets are not different to those of animals on restricted intake diets.

Pinhead syndrome isn't something that is commonly associated or seen in Antaresia.
It will be interesting to see if the same results are obtained in Morelia, which it is more commonly seen in.
Will the UWS be doing research into Morelia in the near future?
 
Gee Wizzz!!! I had no idea they could grow so quick in a year if given the food. It looks like an adult, not a yearling!!
 
The size difference after twelve months is amazing.
Proving to be a very interesting thread i must say.
I to have thoughts regarding morelia like NCHERPS..... is the study likely to branch out into other species?

Although its probably early days in the study, but apart from growth rate differences and other points mentioned...... would it pose any concerns with the development of internal organs, say possible diseases resulting from such a voluntary practice.
 
Pinhead syndrome isn't something that is commonly associated or seen in Antaresia.
It will be interesting to see if the same results are obtained in Morelia, which it is more commonly seen in.
Will the UWS be doing research into Morelia in the near future?

Neil,

We would like to do this with morelia, but it is subject to funding! Hopefully publications from this research will enable us to gain access to these funds! It is in the planning process!

Cheers
 
Great to see those results guys. Keep up the good work.

My own experience with a smaller set of just 6 stimmies showed the same self regulation. All of them slowed down their food intake once they hit 300-350 grams and all ended up around 4-500 grams at 12 months old. I let you know how many breed in a few months. All of those girls have already mated :)
 
Great to see some proper research on feeding regimes. It's a big commitment to run this experiment for the years needed to get a definitive conclusion. Early results look great. However let's face it, some will not accept the findings until the pythons have lived out their natural lifespan!
 
Very interesting read keep up the good work and keep us posted on results.

Congo
 
Great to see some proper research on feeding regimes. It's a big commitment to run this experiment for the years needed to get a definitive conclusion. Early results look great. However let's face it, some will not accept the findings until the pythons have lived out their natural lifespan!

Early results look good, but I would refrain from saying great. So far as I can see they are just bigger pythons. Big does not necesarily mean healthy.
I ponder the long term effects on organ strength, health and function from the quick growers.
What tests can be done to explore organ health without slicing?
 
Brilliant research! This is the sort of thing which can be referred to in order to dispel some of the stupid myths we've been dealing with for decades! The findings are as satisfying as they are interesting ;) I look forward to hearing about the ongoing findings!

You should try this sort of thing with Water Pythons! That way you'd get some really interesting results, especially with growth rates!

I take my hat off to you (actually, I'll even go so far as continuing to not own a hat! ;) ). This sort of thing is so much better than scattered, unreliable anecdotes, which is basically all that we currently have available. I've run my own small studies with my own animals because this sort of thing hasn't been available. Awesome :)
 
Early results look good, but I would refrain from saying great. So far as I can see they are just bigger pythons. Big does not necesarily mean healthy.
I ponder the long term effects on organ strength, health and function from the quick growers.
What tests can be done to explore organ health without slicing?

As mentioned on many occassions the results are preliminary. There will be bloodwork carried out after winter cooling an breeding, ultrasound work and CT scanning if a protocol can be determined and ethical approval obtained!
 
Brilliant research! This is the sort of thing which can be referred to in order to dispel some of the stupid myths we've been dealing with for decades! The findings are as satisfying as they are interesting ;) I look forward to hearing about the ongoing findings!

You should try this sort of thing with Water Pythons! That way you'd get some really interesting results, especially with growth rates!

I take my hat off to you (actually, I'll even go so far as continuing to not own a hat! ;) ). This sort of thing is so much better than scattered, unreliable anecdotes, which is basically all that we currently have available. I've run my own small studies with my own animals because this sort of thing hasn't been available. Awesome :)

Well if we do Liasis they will probably be the choice, thanks for the comments!
 
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