does anyone know how true this is?

[massey]

There are multiple factors which lead to the large numbers of deaths in India every year. Inadequete medical facilities, financial struggles, poor or nil protective clothing such as shoes and a lack of education are just a few. Although Australians are quick to judge the ignorance of impoverished countries, we are among the worst for stretching the truth or letting our imaginations run wild when it comes to our knowledge of snakes.

In Australia we are certainly privileged to accommodate the top 11 most venomous snakes in the world, however in India and Africa live some of the most deadliest species of snake. For example, not even your best pair of Nike runners will help you when it comes to the deadly fast and highly venomous African black or green mambas. Especially as last i heard there was no anti-venom available for African mambas. Nor will shoes protect you against the blinding venom that is spat at your eyes by African or Indian spitting cobras.

The personalities, habitat preferences, and general behaviours differ greatly between native and exotic species of snakes. Who are we to judge the misfortune of other countries that face the struggle of survial every day when we ourselves dont understand the behaviour of their native species. We may not have a high death rate when it comes to snake bites but we sure make up for it with spider, shark and crocodile attacks. It goes to show just how ignorant we are here in Australia. Maybe we should look at ourselves before we pass judgement. We are not a perfect society.

 

[Ozzie Python]

The "most" venomous and most "dangerous" is just one of those arguements that will never be settled. There are too many ways of looking at it.

Yes, we have some of the most venomous/dangerous animals in Australia when you look at drop for drop.

But on the other hand, we have a relatively low population density compared to other countries. We are some what more educated in regards to our nasties, and also have a pretty good health care system available compared to other countries.

This arguement is like asking what the best starter snake, or the prettiest snake etc. those who favour a certain species will always give it a vote. same deal with venomous/dangerous arguement. those who are in love with Australian elapids will always end up fighting for taipans (coastals usually), and those obsessed with mamba's, vipers etc will jump on their side. always an arguement either way which can be done to death.

And then you can throw the whole one person is alergic to this, and not to that, arguement.

End of the day, i say just be careful, try not to get bitten. if you do, hope for the best. Some have survived bites from the most notorious snakes/spiders etc, others have died from some nut traces in food.

Just my opinion after reading the first few posts. hope it made sense, had quite a few this arvo

 

[Wrightpython]

Somewhere near 50 million tertiary graduates.

U mean somewhere near 50 million turdiary graduates. Most know sh it all
Whats the point in so many doctors if they dont have beds in hospitals for snake bite victims.
Imagine feeding 1 billion people over there everyday it boggles the mind

 

[pazuzu666]

To show how limited the standard LD50 tests can be in 2006 an adult elephant named Eleanor that weighed 7,500lbs and was reported to be in good health was fataly bitten by a black mamba in a national reserve in Kenya. This is the only scientifically verified case of an adult elephant dying of a snake bite. According to the mouse test 10 to 15mg is considered lethal to the average size man and the top end of their average venom yield is 120mg. So say 12mg is the lethal human dose and the average man weighs 175lbs. Multiply 12mg by 10 for the 120mg yield and the black mamba should only be able to kill 1,750lbs or 10 men with a bite. The elephant weighed 7,500lbs so if we go by the elephant LD the black mamba can kill close to 43 people!!!!

 

[Darlyn]

So if I get 43 politicians in one room with a mamba job would be done?

 

[sunny_girl]

approx 200,000 people are bitten by snakes every year in India alone with 50,000 dying so India has the most dangerous snakes compared to any other country , but Australia has the most venomous, but we have only a couple of deaths a year, even in New Guinea 600 people are year die from snake bite

In PNG (while I was there anyway) if a snake was spotted they would go looking and kill it immediately... I wonder if that contributes to fatality rate?? I came across one, it crossed the track a couple of feet infront of me, the 2 Papuan guys I was with went to grab a stick to kill it luckily they listened to me and that one lived to see another day so did the guys
But I did see a group of blokes run out into the jungle with machetes and bring in a freshly killed c.8 foot python

 

[zaphyrr]

without brains more likely

Speaking from first-hand experience, I would say that you are completely ignorant of how lucky you are to live in a first world country. Some people have to make money or die. There is no government that will look after them

U mean somewhere near 50 million turdiary graduates. Most know sh it all
Whats the point in so many doctors if they dont have beds in hospitals for snake bite victims.
Imagine feeding 1 billion people over there everyday it boggles the mind

After meeting many doctors over there I was nothing but impressed with what they do. The pay is usually terrible (hardley enough to live off) and if patients need to see a specialist, they will see them THAT day - unlike here where you can be waiting months.....

 

[pazuzu666]

So if I get 43 politicians in one room with a mamba job would be done?

Politicians? That's a tough one. They would likely lie their way out or bribe the mamba.

There are multiple factors which lead to the large numbers of deaths in India every year. Inadequete medical facilities, financial struggles, poor or nil protective clothing such as shoes and a lack of education are just a few. Although Australians are quick to judge the ignorance of impoverished countries, we are among the worst for stretching the truth or letting our imaginations run wild when it comes to our knowledge of snakes.

In Australia we are certainly privileged to accommodate the top 11 most venomous snakes in the world, however in India and Africa live some of the most deadliest species of snake. For example, not even your best pair of Nike runners will help you when it comes to the deadly fast and highly venomous African black or green mambas. Especially as last i heard there was no anti-venom available for African mambas. Nor will shoes protect you against the blinding venom that is spat at your eyes by African or Indian spitting cobras.

The personalities, habitat preferences, and general behaviours differ greatly between native and exotic species of snakes. Who are we to judge the misfortune of other countries that face the struggle of survial every day when we ourselves dont understand the behaviour of their native species. We may not have a high death rate when it comes to snake bites but we sure make up for it with spider, shark and crocodile attacks. It goes to show just how ignorant we are here in Australia. Maybe we should look at ourselves before we pass judgement. We are not a perfect society.

There is antivenom produced for mambas in South Africa. Many Africans don't have access to it or can't get treatment in time as the bite from a black mamba typically kills with in the hour. The black mamba has a near 100% untreated mortality rate and is certainly one of the deadliest snakes on the planet. Austraila can claim they have the most toxic snakes to mice but that's about it. As far as spiders/crocodiles, The Nile crocodile kills more people than any other crocodile and the deathstalker scorpion packs one hell of a punch.

 

[mmafan555]

gee, sorry to offend blue

just with the countless vids and even a bit of 1st hand exp of how vens are treated over there, it makes you wonder how smart some people are.....it wouldnt be my idea of a relaxing afternoon of forcing cobra's to strike at me and see if i can dodge them.

maybe we dont call them dumb hey??? just say natural selection at work yeah

You clearly don't know what you are talking about...Almost all snake bites in India happen when people accidentally step on them while working in the fields or in the case of Kraits are bitten at night while they sleep...Their are tons of credible sources that can document this.

How is accidentally stepping on a snake while working in the fields or getting bitten by a snake while sleeping related to natural selection?

There are multiple factors which lead to the large numbers of deaths in India every year. Inadequete medical facilities, financial struggles, poor or nil protective clothing such as shoes and a lack of education are just a few. Although Australians are quick to judge the ignorance of impoverished countries, we are among the worst for stretching the truth or letting our imaginations run wild when it comes to our knowledge of snakes.

In Australia we are certainly privileged to accommodate the top 11 most venomous snakes in the world, however in India and Africa live some of the most deadliest species of snake. For example, not even your best pair of Nike runners will help you when it comes to the deadly fast and highly venomous African black or green mambas. Especially as last i heard there was no anti-venom available for African mambas. Nor will shoes protect you against the blinding venom that is spat at your eyes by African or Indian spitting cobras.
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Whats the point of even referring to that flawed test if you aren't even going to refer to it correctly! The ld50 test has Australia having 6 or 7 of the top 10 drop for drop venomous in the world...Where the hell are you getting top 11 from??

And that's not even counting the fact that their are PLENTY of highly venomous snakes that are missing from the list and have never been assigned a mouse value. Snakes that may very well crack the top 10.

 

[JUNGLE-JAK]

in my opinion i think the stilleto snake would be most dangerous, there fangs stick sideways out of there mouth, vertually impossible to handle, imo

 

[mmafan555]

To show how limited the standard LD50 tests can be in 2006 an adult elephant named Eleanor that weighed 7,500lbs and was reported to be in good health was fataly bitten by a black mamba in a national reserve in Kenya. This is the only scientifically verified case of an adult elephant dying of a snake bite. According to the mouse test 10 to 15mg is considered lethal to the average size man and the top end of their average venom yield is 120mg. So say 12mg is the lethal human dose and the average man weighs 175lbs. Multiply 12mg by 10 for the 120mg yield and the black mamba should only be able to kill 1,750lbs or 10 men with a bite. The elephant weighed 7,500lbs so if we go by the elephant LD the black mamba can kill close to 43 people!!!!

That is actullay not true...Their are actullay quite a few cases of Elephants (including full grown bulls) dieing from snake bites....I can post them here if you would like ( it will take me some time to find them)

Elephants appear to be quite weak to certain snake venoms...Despite their huge size.

 

[pazuzu666]

That is actullay not true...Their are actullay quite a few cases of Elephants (including full grown bulls) dieing from snake bites....I can post them here if you would like ( it will take me some time to find them)

Elephants appear to be quite weak to certain snake venoms...Despite their huge size.

Thank you. Yes I would definately like to see them. I've heard other reports of elephants succuming to snake venom(usually by the King Cobra) but I didn't know they were scientifically documented. This is why I find the LD50 tests laughable. As you can see, if you look at the LD for different animals, the results aren't even close.