Pit Bull Viciously Attacks Baby

[raginreptile@iprimus]

How many people on here own a Pitbull?

I am looking for pitbull owners in NSW to start a lobby group. I am the owner of a Pitbull and am currently going through court. Anyone who owns one and would like to help please pm me. The breed needs all the help it can get.

They are not pure "fighting dogs". If anyone has done some research on Pitbull fighting they would know that the dog is bred for dog on dog aggression only. The owners of the dogs stand in the pit with their animals whilst they fight. Any instance of human aggression in a "fighting dog" and the dog is put down. In saying that in no way do i condone dog fighting. My dog has never even looked like biting. As already stated most dog bites on children are not the dogs fault. If a kid has their finger in a dogs eyes or mouth or even bum. The dog can't just say can you stop that. All the know is they don't like it and the only defence is to bite. Also the statistics on dog attacks hardly justify the bans. Considering Cattle, kelpie, border collie all come before pitbulls on the attack register and by a great margin at that.

PUNISH THE DEED NOT THE BREED

 

[snakes4me2]

just to add to my last post........and actually stck up for dogs, hows the 2 stories the other day.
one dog grabbed a baby and threw it out of the way of a snake and took the bite itself, now that dog was only picked up from the dogs home about a week before that (soi heard), then i heard on the news that a dog dragged a kid out of the water and saved its life.

 

[da_donkey]

I am looking for pitbull owners in NSW to start a lobby group. I am the owner of a Pitbull and am currently going through court. Anyone who owns one and would like to help please pm me. The breed needs all the help it can get.

They are not pure "fighting dogs". If anyone has done some research on Pitbull fighting they would know that the dog is bred for dog on dog aggression only. The owners of the dogs stand in the pit with their animals whilst they fight. Any instance of human aggression in a "fighting dog" and the dog is put down. In saying that in no way do i condone dog fighting. My dog has never even looked like biting. As already stated most dog bites on children are not the dogs fault. If a kid has their finger in a dogs eyes or mouth or even bum. The dog can't just say can you stop that. All the know is they don't like it and the only defence is to bite. Also the statistics on dog attacks hardly justify the bans. Considering Cattle, kelpie, border collie all come before pitbulls on the attack register and by a great margin at that.

PUNISH THE DEED NOT THE BREED

I used to be a member of the Pit bull association of NSW, i heard that they are no longer going. heaps of great people were in it supporting the breed.

Ive been out of those circles for a long time now, allthough i could probbaly dig up some ph numbers for you, if you wanted.

donks

 

[raginreptile@iprimus]

For anyone interested this is enclosure requirements for owning a Pitbull. Do you think they are fair? Before you answer think of it this way. You own a property and your tenant comes to you and asks if they can build this. What would you say. I think i know what most landlords would say.
http://www.dlg.nsw.gov.au/DLG/DLGHo...cted_and_Dangerous_Dogs_in_NSW_-_Brochure.pdf

 

[raginreptile@iprimus]

This is a proposal to a change of Restricted Breed Laws.

If you are the owner of a restricted breed, at your cost your dog is assessed by an animal behaviouralist to find its aggression level. This test is carried out every year or sooner if the is any issues. If your dog is found to be of a non-aggressive nature the control requirements stated in my previous post could be relaxed. The enclosure would not have to be built, desexing not done. Over 18 should still apply and muzzling if need be. If at any time your dog is found to have been aggressive then enforce all the requirements.
I have written this letter and just need to start getting signatures. I will have something sorted out in the next couple of days. If you would be willing to sign keep an eye out for it. The State Government is having a review on the laws in about 9mths. Hopefully something can be done to stop these draconion laws.
Cheers Ragin

 

[bump73]

There's nothing better than taking your dog to a park and letting it socialise with other dogs, it's good for there health and they love it.....

That's the main reason i would never own a pit bull or a lot of other breeds such as a blue heeler for that matter. I just don't think they can be trusted with other animals, let's face it pit bulls AREN'T bred to hunt humans but they WERE bred, over many generations so the charecteristics are strong, to attack other dogs....

Why you would want to own one is beyond me, but then again i probably would never own a venomous snake for the same reason, it's just not safe IMO..

Would the owners trust there animals to be off leash in a dog park with other dogs???

 

[Midol]

I am looking for pitbull owners in NSW to start a lobby group. I am the owner of a Pitbull and am currently going through court. Anyone who owns one and would like to help please pm me. The breed needs all the help it can get.

They are not pure "fighting dogs". If anyone has done some research on Pitbull fighting they would know that the dog is bred for dog on dog aggression only. The owners of the dogs stand in the pit with their animals whilst they fight. Any instance of human aggression in a "fighting dog" and the dog is put down. In saying that in no way do i condone dog fighting. My dog has never even looked like biting. As already stated most dog bites on children are not the dogs fault. If a kid has their finger in a dogs eyes or mouth or even bum. The dog can't just say can you stop that. All the know is they don't like it and the only defence is to bite. Also the statistics on dog attacks hardly justify the bans. Considering Cattle, kelpie, border collie all come before pitbulls on the attack register and by a great margin at that.

PUNISH THE DEED NOT THE BREED

Contact the EBDA and join dogzonline and they have a BSL section.

There's nothing better than taking your dog to a park and letting it socialise with other dogs, it's good for there health and they love it.....

That's the main reason i would never own a pit bull or a lot of other breeds such as a blue heeler for that matter. I just don't think they can be trusted with other animals, let's face it pit bulls AREN'T bred to hunt humans but they WERE bred, over many generations so the charecteristics are strong, to attack other dogs....

Why you would want to own one is beyond me, but then again i probably would never own a venomous snake for the same reason, it's just not safe IMO..

Would the owners trust there animals to be off leash in a dog park with other dogs???

Actually off leash dog parks are one of the worst places you can take your dog to. Most cases of dog aggression are caused from off leash parks.

I know a number of people who have well adjusted dogs but are now dog aggressive because small dogs kept biting their faces and such.

 

[Tsubakai]

I don't take my dogs to off leash areas because of other people's dogs. They are my and my wife's companions and protectors, socialising with other dogs is not relevant as far as I'm concerned.

Breed specific legislation is a load of rubbish. I'm just thankful that the American Bulldog has not made the list.

There's nothing better than taking your dog to a park and letting it socialise with other dogs, it's good for there health and they love it.....

That's the main reason i would never own a pit bull or a lot of other breeds such as a blue heeler for that matter. I just don't think they can be trusted with other animals, let's face it pit bulls AREN'T bred to hunt humans but they WERE bred, over many generations so the charecteristics are strong, to attack other dogs....

Why you would want to own one is beyond me, but then again i probably would never own a venomous snake for the same reason, it's just not safe IMO..

Would the owners trust there animals to be off leash in a dog park with other dogs???

No one comes into my yard or house uninvited. Which is safer for me or my wife when I'm not home?

 

[Midol]

Socialisation is incredibly important.

If you walk past another dog what does your dog do?
How will you ever attend obedience classes?
How will you ever place your dog into a kennel?
What do you do at the vets?
What happens if your dog escapes one day and gets into a fight?

We all like to claim our dogs would never fight another dog but given that many dogs these days don't know how to read body language it is very easy to occur.

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Ohhh, and 99.9% of offlead dogs in parks shouldn't be offlead. It is a condition of using an offlead park that you maintain effective control which requires a 100% recall, if your dog runs up to another dog in a dog park and you didn't call it back or ask its owner if it was alright and they get into a fight you are liable as your dog was not under your control.

 

[Tsubakai]

I meant socialising in the context of off-lead parks.

 

[raginreptile@iprimus]

My Pitbull lives with a cattle cross both males both not de-sexed. Yes they have they occansional scuffel but there has never been any injuries. As for the fact they cannot be trusted with other animals, the last house I lived in i went to the backyard to find my Pitbull and Cattle x playing with two beagels they had never seen before. These two beagels had snuck under a small gap in the fence. Before anyone has a go at me for the gap in the fence, my dog was three years old then and had never tried to escape. Even with a one metre fence. As for the charecteristics being so strong. That does depend entirely on the dog in question. When fighting dogs are assessed by their owners for fighting there is a thing called game. Game means that a dog wants to fight. Not all Pitbulls or any fighting dog for that matter has game. Some have it some don't. Same in humans. Some people are dominant some are submissive. I know i keep referring to dog fighting. I don't like having to it is just that there is not much other information on their temperment. Saying you would never own a pitbull is ridiculous. I have two questions to all that have posted negative things about Pitbulls. 1. Have you ever seen a Pitbull in the flesh? 2. Have you ever spent some quality time with a Pitbull?

There's nothing better than taking your dog to a park and letting it socialise with other dogs, it's good for there health and they love it.....

That's the main reason i would never own a pit bull or a lot of other breeds such as a blue heeler for that matter. I just don't think they can be trusted with other animals, let's face it pit bulls AREN'T bred to hunt humans but they WERE bred, over many generations so the charecteristics are strong, to attack other dogs....

Why you would want to own one is beyond me, but then again i probably would never own a venomous snake for the same reason, it's just not safe IMO..

Would the owners trust there animals to be off leash in a dog park with other dogs???

 

[Midol]

Tsubaki, Yeah, I thought that's what you meant but thought I'd clear it up incase someone came along and thought that it was alright not to do any socialisation.

I actually consider it responsible dog ownership if you stay out of off leash parks. I'd never let me dog enter an off leash park with unknown dogs. All it takes is one dog to go yours and your dog is going to have issues

I actually consider it important to keep dogs strong, sure, remove their desire to fight BUT everything else should remain identical. IF we remove all the physical attributes that make a pitbull a pitbull do we really have a pitbull? Pitties were never bred to be aggressive, I oppose dog fighting but the decent dog fighters were skilled and their dogs did not attack random dogs.

It is the same as a security dog. I'd rather have a police trained K9 with my kids than a family pet, the trained dog has been taught it can ONLY bite when the master gives the command. The family pet hasn't.

 

[kakariki]

The bull terrier went thru a similsr thing 2o years ago. My partner was saying that bullies got a reputation [unfairly in his opinion ] for attacking other dogs on sight. He said that while he never had any start a fight, [he used to breed them] a bully would certainly step up and finish it! He is not a fan of pitbulls but he agrees that a dog is only as good as the training it receives. Big dogs scare people, bottom line. And there are some people who take advantage of that! Most of the big, solid breeds have had trouble at one time or another. It is the pitties turn. Although I have no interest in owning a pitbull, I would sign against banning them.

 

[tfor2]

I just cant believe we are fighting over dogs on a Reptile forum.
Before you know it we will have all the anti bsl people on here from the dog forums and then we will see the riots begin...
But i guess nothing surprises me now.

 

[slip_phreak]

Please, I own a Staffy and she is by far the friendliest dog on the face of the planet. She doesnt bark at anything except bugs on the carport floor or vapour trails left by passing jets/ sky writers lol. I wouldnt trust her with small children on her own (you'd be silly to with any breed of dog) because she jumps but i take her up to my godfathers place up the road and she plays with his jack russel unattended with no worries.
Whereas my old cattledog was extremely aggresive to anyone outside of my direct family, people walking past the back gate would be enough to set him off and he recieved no "attack" style training from anyone he was just that way.

 

[Midol]

tfor2, we're on off topic. I am presuming you can read since you are on an online forum and usually writing comes after reading but perhaps you don't understand the concept of off topic?

Off topic is where discussions not related to the forums subject are discussed. Dogs are considered off topic, go and whinge to someone else.

BTW, I am an anti-bsl person from a dog forum who just happens to enjoy keeping reptiles as well.

 

[Nagraj]

That article clearly stated that banning a particular breed would be ineffective because people who want big aggressive dogs would just choose another breed!

That's not quite the conclusion I would draw from the paper .... but, whatever.

 

[coskun89]

They are the most amazing dogs... so loyal and protective of there owners.. i have a 1 year old blonde and his dad is a the biggest softy... just need to watch out for 2 boyz together that is all...other wise from that as long as you show who is the boss.. they wont dare not listen to you.. pitbulls are also much more tougher then the average dog... a scream just isnt enough for them.. a real nice hard slap on the backside is the way to go, i know this because my cousin has bred pitbull terriers and i have there pick of the litter..she has selectively picked the people she sold them to, only the best owners..she gave me the pick of the litter, the only blonde boy. My dogs father was trained this way and is very loyal and obeys every command.. somtimes you need to be tough on them and also show them affection. Turn around when they dont listen to you, then they will try get you attention, they still act like pups when there older haha ;D

 

[tfor2]

BTW, I am an anti-bsl person from a dog forum who just happens to enjoy keeping reptiles as well.

[/QUOTE]

Well that explains your attitude then....

I was simply joking about arguing about jokes on a reptile forum... But peoples sense of humour just isnt what it used to be....lmao....lmao and again...