Sandfire?

[remington]

Well Ive seen the term *sandfier* used as a local a lot lately well does that mean they where found at the road house as sandfier isn't a town ect its a roadhouse!! so how far from the roadhouse can you find animals and still call them sandfier to me it sounds like a marketing term!

 

[Echiopsis]

You call them Sandfire until Sandfire is no longer the nearest land mark i'd assume....would make sense eh?

 

[geckodan]

There are very few, if any, animals collected within the vicinity of the sandfire Roadhouse and most of the "sandfire" labelled animals were pre-legal collection. There are several reasons the name has been applied:
1. There is a "Sandfire" dragon ranch in the US specialising in very red beardeds. The Sandfire label has subsequently been applied to numerous strains of very red animals, even those that aren't beardeds.
2. There is a picture in a book on monitors showing a pretty red accie sitting on a termite mound in the vicinity of Sandfire Roadhouse - subsequently, all pretty red WA accies are "Sandfire" in the same way that all brightly coloured Strophurus ciliaris are "Katherine" locale regardless of there true origin.

 

[remington]

You call them Sandfire until Sandfire is no longer the nearest land mark i'd assume....would make sense eh?

Yes but The area would have some sort of name... Sandfier is a marketing term by the sounds... Geckodan so hows that relate to womas ect some sort of marketing term some ones used to make there animals more appealing imo

 

[hornet]

Its sandfire not sandfier and according to wikipedia it is a locality so the area would be called sandfire

Sandfire, Western Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[geckodan]

Its sandfire not sandfier and according to wikipedia it is a locality so the area would be called sandfire

Sandfire, Western Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The locality is what you can see in the pic. If you can't clearly see the roadhouse from where you are standing, you're not in "sandfire" country

 

[hornet]

So is the sandfire roadhouse in a particular region?

 

[remington]

If your going to use Wikipedia Learn to read it! and all so could this thread be commented on by people with experience about sandfire or wa only or selling these so called sandfire local animals cheers

 

[hornet]

I did "reed" it, could you point out what i missed? So it seems alot of "Sandfire" animals are called that because of other factors and not locality, bit misleading. Would it be acceptable to call animals sandfire if they are collected from an area not visible to the sandfire roadhouse but of the exact same form as whats found at the sandfire roadhouse? Whist not found at that exact locality would the fact they are the exact same form make it acceptable to use that name?

 

[geckodan]

I did "reed" it, could you point out what i missed? So it seems alot of "Sandfire" animals are called that because of other factors and not locality, bit misleading. Would it be acceptable to call animals sandfire if they are collected from an area not visible to the sandfire roadhouse but of the exact same form as whats found at the sandfire roadhouse? Whist not found at that exact locality would the fact they are the exact same form make it acceptable to use that name?

Is it fine to label "cloncurry" animals as "mt Isa" animals because they look the same but "Mt Isa" sounds better. I think you answered your own question.

 

[Ozzie Python]

Anyone asked Sir John W or the SR team about the origins of their sandfire animals? who collected them and brought them into captivity?

I have sandfires and will advertise their offspring as just that. it's what I bought them as, if anything people will know by that name they are SR's line of animals. If they are actually worried about locality they should purchase some legally obtained wild caught animals.

 

[geckodan]

There are a lot of misleading names used to identify "locality specific" animals. At the end of the day its up to the seller to decide what they are selling and how to name it and whether they feel they are representing it adequately. As most of the current "Sandfire" lines were well established pre-WA reptile collection it is virtually impossible to say one way or another except to say that according to licenced collectors in the Pilbara region there is far less suitable Accie habitat in the vicinity of the Sandfire Roadhouse then there is in much closer , more "accie rich" and more accessible areas. Personally, if I haven't got proof then they are referred to as WA Accies (the term red and yellow should be dropped as these previously referred to the subspecies acanthurus and brachyurus respectively which have now been made redundant as the DNA does not differ between localities). The same argument will always exist with anything that is popular that can't be proven (e.g. Julatten jungles, Cape york Carpets). Its a matter of looking at the facts, following the paper trail and work it out for yourself BUT if you are not sure, continuing the name without proof is up to your conscience.

 

[remington]

bump

 

[PilbaraPythons]

In some cases I am sure some people do use the sandfire tag as a selling point regardless of it true locality however if an animal was really collected anywhere near that area I guess it doesn't leave much of a name choice besides north western coast or the actual stations directly around the road house. I prefer to go with the stations that they are found on however some of thiose propertys are truely massive in area. Maybe just more people identify the general area by the sandfire tag after all how many people no where the hell Anna Plains station is ?.
The locality tag I now hate is the Wheat-belt.