Jimbobulan
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Poor snake. Some people make me mad. Should the person selling the live rats be held partly responsible?
Rubbish. Can you show me a proper scientific article that says that?The freezing process removes certain vitamins and nutritional benefits that live feeding gives. It is therefore recommended that a vitamin supplement be given to frozen fed snakes now and then to replace what is lost.
Rubbish. Can you show me a proper scientific article that says that?
agreed, if you dont need to feed live and are not aware of what can happen...There really is no need to do it.,so when feeding dead rodents ,we are able to place in the enclosure and leave it to feed on later or take out in morning if not eaten ...with no risk to our snakes ,,,BUT if its a live one and this situation arises, the often outcome is what is on the poster ...DONT DO IT ...and try and discourage others from doing it if you can ..
When I went to Extreme Pets they had a poster like that. All pet shops should have them.
Yes, and I asked if you could show me it please. Give me the name, published date etc so I can look it up. The veterinary library at uni has a great article base.As I stated, I have read this in published reptile articles, not just relaying someone's belief.
Rubbish. Can you show me a proper scientific article that says that?
"[SIZE=-2]Earlier in this article, we touched on loss of vitamins, minerals and nutrients during the freezing process. But we did not mention that the length of time spent in the freezer can increase these losses, not to mention cause freezer burn. It is recommended that you obtain the freshest frozen rodents possible. Making the assumption that your store has provided fresh ones can be a mistake, they may have been in the back of their freezer for months (or worse). Many commercial sources for frozen rodents will date each package with the date frozen, a real help in determining freshness."Freezing does cause some vitamin depletion, im sure there would be plenty of scientific papers on the subject. I dont know of any evidence to suggest freezing for a short period would cause problems to snakes if they dont have vitamin supplements(except with fish). Still no need to feed live for the food to be fresh.
That's disgusting, why on earth would anyone who owns a reptile do something so stupid? I know some people don't realise the dangers, but surely they could question it when they buy or get one. I can't stand idiots who do such idiotic things.
If the guy who doesn't handle his snake is too afraid he should get rid of it to someone who cares and can treat it properly
Poor snake. Some people make me mad. Should the person selling the live rats be held partly responsible?
KingSirloin, live mice are just as nasty as rats. Live mice will spend hours sitting on top of a snakes head, gnawing the snakes nose off. It will also gnaw at the snakes tail until it has eaten it down to the bone. At this time all the snake does is flinch and try to shove the rodent off it. The mouse just climbs back on.
what alot dont seem to get is in the wild ,a snake is waiting in ambush for a rodent to pass by or goes on a scent hunt to find dinner so the snake is actually hungry at the time ...if its not hungry it wouldnt be bothered by a rodent going past nor be out looking for a feed, they dont eat just for the sake of it ...
in captivity if they are hungry and a live one is thrown in well you may get a instant strike and ambush situation hence in a dead rat/mouse and a snake no longer hungry ...but as most know not every feed time do our snakes eat ,even if we think they should be hungry ,so when feeding dead rodents ,we are able to place in the enclosure and leave it to feed on later or take out in morning if not eaten ...with no risk to our snakes ,,,BUT if its a live one and this situation arises, the often outcome is what is on the poster ...DONT DO IT ...and try and discourage others from doing it if you can ..
I still feed fresh killed ,my snakes are not keen on frozen thawed...and where I live ,half the time the local petshops dont have any frozen in stock or they keep the smaller rodents like pinks and fuzz way to small for my reps ...I used to feed fresh killed, and still would if I didn't have pre-killed stuff currently available to me. Mammals are smarter than reptiles and react as such. I've seen the intuition of a captive-bred mouse when confronted by a tiger snake (not something I wouldn't do personally so no flaming please :lol and was amazed at the caution the mouse displayed when the two met. Clearly that inbred fear and knowledge gives the rodent enough warning to get it defensive. A defensive animal is a dangerous animal, be it a mouse or an elephant. When something is in fear of its life, it'll protect itself any way it can! The message is simple: Don't feed live!
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