so after at least 3 long threads now about a snake that was sold to me as a stimsons python from MOSSMAN CAINS along time ago . then within the last 5 years because after many ,many years of breeding this line it is garrenteed ...this snake grows to a max of 60 cm but a average of 50 cm and i know all my adults some as old as 9 are all around the 155 -200 gram max in weight ..depending on time of year this is fact . this is how they got the tag PYGMY.... (I was not the first person to call them this either).. i can only comment on the animals i have .. also another fact about my line is they average 6-7 eggs . i have had about 15 clutches now from various animals from this line 1 did get 10eggs once. the bloke i bought mine off said his biggest clutch was 7 .. another fact is there eyes appear to be higher set on the head then say other commonly kept antaresias . they have a very squat type appearance very angle shaped head . all this is fact . also my line seem to have very good clear banding . they also seem to have colour mood swings they go very blonde ,just unreal .then can darken up same day . this is fact . also i find them to be my most unusual antaresia and my favorite and i have 200 + from about 20 different parts of the country.
now this is what ive got from you guys ,from people that dont even keep them .... none of you guys can agree where they are or arnt found . but mossman seems very unlikely .. you cant even agree if they are macs ,stims ,childreni,intergrade, or should just be called antaresia ?.. some of you guys have said its just a scam ,
so anyway all you guys have done is make me and the many other people that have pmd me and phoned me up about my unreal little pythons is to think none of you have any clue what so ever . you guys are just hobbyest just like me . and state your opinions , beliefs, experiences as facts when they are not . old school herpers and want to bes thanks for nothing , you are the ones that make this hobby crap . and put blokes like me in these situations . all i have done is breed a top little python that me and many others are more then happy with . so i will just be calling them qld pygmy ANTARESIA from now on this is as proven as any other name in the reptile industry .
the only positive out of all this for me is, it has shown there is a great demand for these little guys and this season is looking good ... cant really see what more can be said on this subject but im sure you guys will keep talking more crap .... ANDY
Sorry if I've offended you in any way Andy; it was not my intention at all.
I don't know of the three previous threads that you're referring to.
I seldom come on line these days; and just happened to come across this thread last time while looking through APS.
I just seen reference to these miniature form of stimsons as possibly occurring around the Mossman region; which simply is not true.
Since you breed this form; I thought you might appreciate knowing where they really are derived from...obliviously not.
They occur in a small area within the locality that I've provided; no where else to my knowledge; and that is a 'fact'.
I was keeping this form around 13 years ago; and I do have a very clear understanding as to where they occur in the wild; basically it's my backyard.
Intermediate forms between the 'cape' stimsons (larger animals standard head shape etc) and Mac's also occur in close proximity.
Same can be said for animals that display characteristics that appear to be an intermediate form between the larger C.stimsons and your pygmy's; as well as animals that appear to be an intermediate form between your pygmy's; and the Mac's; also occur within this area.
I believe it's these intermediate animals (pygmy x mac) that my line of Platinum's were originally derived from.
The area in general is a very complicated mixture of the antaresia gene pool; which I've been trying to understand for many years...
It's not as simple as just 'labelling' them that's for sure; which is what we often tend to do.
As you have expressed; these pygmy type of stimsons are quite different; and unique little pythons in their own right.
The prettiest looking specimens of these miniature stimsons I've seen; are yellowish animals; with purplish bands; very attractive indeed.
IMO to label these miniature form as 'pygmy's' is a fair enough call; why? because they are miniature.
Not all of us are as you describe as 'want-a-be's' Andy; some of us actually do have a fair understanding on animals found within our area.....or am I just speaking crap again; if so; I apologise.
May I suggest that you had better develop a thicker hide; you'll always have those who'll have a go at you; even if they haven't a clue....it is APS after all; get over it.
you know nothing about me . im 6 foot :lol: 
