Freedom of choice and thought is actually a good thing
But that's a negative thing you say?
Well firstly I never actually mentioned or said that Freedom of choice and thought is a negative thing.
Imagine just living life for the sake of it and enjoying it for what it is, not what it could be. You'd never have to fear any kind of punishment simply for being human. Nor would you ever have to worry about living a life constrained by constricting ideology. You can think what you like, love whomever you choose, and be content that you'll never have a crisis of faith.I'm sure religious people enjoy life just as much. They also do not need to fear punishment if they live their lives according to the religion they believe in. Yes, religion does impose constraints - e.g. no alcohol is the muslim religion. BUT, imagine how many lives would be saved if no one drank = no drink driving accidents. Constraints can and do have benefits, that is why governments implement laws in order to promote constraint.
I'm at work right now and need to get back to it but please guys continue on behaving so this doesn't get closed by the time I finish work
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cockney red
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Christened Church of England. Practicing bible basher euthenaser.
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cockney red
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Imagine no religion based hate crimes, no religious fueled wars...
Says it all for me.
MAIA77
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Wow, what a fantastic way to waste valuable work time, this has been a fun and interesting read, i've never laughed so hard in the whole time i've been a member of this forum... now for my two cents worth...
my mom is catholic and my dad is hindu, growing up my dad used to tell my mom “you lot need to wake jesus up from the dead with that huge church bell of yours” and mom’s reply was “yea you lot need to burn a ton of incense to cover up for your badly grafted elephant and monkey deities”
I believe that the cave man needed a way to scare his kids from being consumed by the beasts in the dark and he conjured up fanciful stories of imaginary beings that would harm them if they didn't listen...and just like chinese whispers these stories got distorted with time...i also believe we are all forms of energy, vibrating at different levels thus taking on different forms...i guess we then should ask ourselves "what is the strongest energy form in our solar system" and maybe that sheds some light (pun intended) into people seeing this huge light and being drawn to it in near death...
*puts down hash pipe*
By the way, Herpetology suits for now...
my mom is catholic and my dad is hindu, growing up my dad used to tell my mom “you lot need to wake jesus up from the dead with that huge church bell of yours” and mom’s reply was “yea you lot need to burn a ton of incense to cover up for your badly grafted elephant and monkey deities”
I believe that the cave man needed a way to scare his kids from being consumed by the beasts in the dark and he conjured up fanciful stories of imaginary beings that would harm them if they didn't listen...and just like chinese whispers these stories got distorted with time...i also believe we are all forms of energy, vibrating at different levels thus taking on different forms...i guess we then should ask ourselves "what is the strongest energy form in our solar system" and maybe that sheds some light (pun intended) into people seeing this huge light and being drawn to it in near death...
*puts down hash pipe*
By the way, Herpetology suits for now...
Imagine no religion based hate crimes, no religious fueled wars...
Religion does not have an intoxicating physical effect that causes man to lose his senses. Religion can be misinterpreted and cause idiots to do stupid things that actually go against their religion in the first place.
I'm sure all you science people out there can refer to your evidence to prove that excessive alcohol results in intoxication, and not merely reading a book.
Yes the world would be a much better place if there were no religion based crimes or wars - but it is not religion itself that causes them but man's own agenda that does.
dailyskin
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One of my all time favourite songs, purely for the lyrics... My dad used to sing it to me as a bedtime song all the time (He is a big Richard Dawkins fan!)... This always reminds me of how I feel about religion...
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
Vat69
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Your last post cast a negative light on atheism, yes? Atheism is freedom of thought.
No-one should ever fear punishment simply for thinking for themselves. Take away religion and you take away any need to be fearful.
Imagine how many millions more would be saved if we never had religious conflicts. That includes everything from outright wars to those poor people who kill themselves because of shame caused by religion.
Common secular law cannot be compared to religious ideology. Common law exists to protect people and property. Religious ideology exists to control thought.
DanTheMan
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Life doesn't need to have a purpose, I live to enjoy the things I love, and do what ever I want, not what "God" says I should do and what is acceptable.
What else are we suppose to do?
Imnot worried about what MIGHT happen when I die, so why live life half heartedly encase theres something better? It's not a fact, so theres no way I can live my life like this.
Even if there was, I doubt it would be better than earth. Sure its not perfect. But theres no place I would rather be.
Thits really hits me especially when im out amoung nature. The smell of the bush, all the wildlife.
Heaven? Im in it!
Hooglabah
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gotta love perfect circle covers.
you should listen to annihilation
athiest but snakeology now thats sounds like a wicked idea. im gonna see if barrnett wants to wring our bible we could go around door knocking and ask people if they have heard the good hiss
abbott75
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Remember, the Bible says that at this stage, Adam and Eve were perfect humans. By eating the fruit - the one thing God said not to do, they were basically saying "God, we don't need you. We're fine on our own. Go away."
Just imagine, you create a beautiful home, give it free of charge, provide everything the occupants need and they tell you to Get Stuffed. How would you feel?
The Bible actually, throughout the entire book, speaks against worldly wars. If people who "fight in gods name" actually read the Bible, they would see how wrong they are.
Psalm 46:9 says "He is making wars to cease to the extremity of the earth. The bow he breaks apart and does cut the spear in pieces; The wagons he burns in the fire."
Isaiah 48:17-18 really sums it up: "This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser, the Holy One of Israel: “I, Jehovah, am your God, the One teaching you to benefit [yourself], the One causing you to tread in the way in which you should walk. O if only you would actually pay attention to my commandments! Then your peace would become just like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea."
What makes you say that? The Bible is often more accurate than secular history. People once questioned the existence of such Bible characters as King Sargon of Assyria, Belshazzar of Babylon, and the Roman governor Pontius Pilate. But recent discoveries have verified one Bible account after another.
Also, this thread is starting to fall off its wheels. Lets keep it adult guys
Hooglabah
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amen to that there is nothing better than being out bush.
oh and guys i still reek of lizard poo its been like two weeks anyidea how to get the smell outta my hair ive tried washing it for like a week or so now it just isnt getting out.
Montyshock
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- Do you believe "god" created the universe and everything in it in 6 days.
- Do you believe the world is only 5000,10000 or 15000 years old, all depending on what religion you follow.
- Is the only reason why you dont murder, steal and rape because of your fear of god?
- Do you believe the world is only 5000,10000 or 15000 years old, all depending on what religion you follow.
- Is the only reason why you dont murder, steal and rape because of your fear of god?
dailyskin
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But God is supposed to be ABOVE feelings of bitterness etc. He is ALL FORGIVING. And if he made them Perfect, why did they eat the fruit? He obviously stuffed up! Or if he gave them free will, he needed to accept what they did with it.
Why create something, give it free will, then tell it NOT to do something, and get angry when it does? I think god would have better things to do!
dailyskin
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How WE would react, as 'imperfect people' should be completely different to how He would react!
Richard Dawkins IS God...:lol:
Are we to assume then that muslim countries have a lower incidence of death by unnatural causes? The way I see it, primarily muslim countries are filled with people who believe absolutely in their particular religion, and this can lead to violence even between different denominations of the same religion. This is in no way an attack on Islam, the same occurs with other religions, like the deeply religious christian terrorists who bomb abortion clinics and Jewish states that bomb schools.
Actually this isn't true, strong religious conviction can lead to the release of chemicals in the body including adrenaline and endorphins, prayer and other such religious activities often do have a literally intoxicating effect. An example is the intense love you may feel for your deity while praying, the chemicals that control love are specifically designed to override reason.
abbott75
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Not six literal days, six periods of time.
Yeah.
No. Just because God says something is wrong shouldn't be the only reason not to do something. We were not created wanting to rape, murder and steal. It is the result of inherited sin from Adam and Eve, due to the Devil's influence - you know, the apple thing.
cockney red
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Their is only one true God. His name is Sir Alex Ferguson.
dailyskin
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Oh. Dear. How do you explain the clear and extensive scientific evidence such as carbon dating and fossils?
Vat69
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I asked a specific question about the existence of Jesus. The Bible cannot be used as a credible historical source in this instance. Whether or not the Bible is accurate in other instances is irrelevent here.
What university have you studied at that is telling you that the Bible is more accurate that secular sources?
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