Jungletrans
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I'm going to keep mine in lengths of 100mm pvc tubing . I think I can get 100's of them in a hall cupboard . They don't mind , they haven't said a thing .
i'm with you hazordous, i dont understand the use of tubs when keeping snakes, except for keeping hatchies in so they feel safe, as for adult snakes of up to 8foot i cant understand it, yes if the tub is 100cmx75cm then that is of decent size for an average size snake, but in saying this i keep snakes because i love them, i love to watch them moving around climbing the branches and looking at their colours. why do people keep them in opaque tubs where you can not see them or enjoy looking at them, where they cant stretch out or climb branches, is it just so they can say how many snakes they have, i wouldnt want to live in a box the size of a toilet cubicle and i'm sure the snakes dont enjoy living in a small tub, i dont think that the arguement that it does no long term damage is a fair or valid one. nobody likes to see a puppy farm with dogs crammed in little shoe boxes pumping out puppies so why is it ok for some snake breeders????...........rant over let the tongue lashing from those that keep their reptiles like this begin.
You need to be careful generalising, not all pythons are arboreal for example. Most of the pythons kept in racks are Ball/Royals which actually do tend to do far better in a small opaque tub. It simulates the termite mounds and similar where they naturally live. I have never seen anyone anywhere keeping adult carpets in tubs, although no doubt it does happen. Retics and Burmese I admit is a bit more iffy, but then again I have pulled them out of street drains and similar which would be smaller than some tubs.
The thing to remember is not just that the anatomy is different but the physiology is entirely different. Comparing a puppy to a snake makes absolutely no sense at all.
As to the argument about no long term damage, well there have been people using rack systems for 40 years now in Europe and North America with no problems that I am aware of compared to any other housing. Husbandry is far more important. You might like enjoying viewing your animals, but it does not automatically mean they enjoy being viewed through a big open pane of glass.
Oh and no I don't have any racks at all.
i'm with you hazordous, i dont understand the use of tubs when keeping snakes, except for keeping hatchies in so they feel safe, as for adult snakes of up to 8foot i cant understand it, yes if the tub is 100cmx75cm then that is of decent size for an average size snake, but in saying this i keep snakes because i love them, i love to watch them moving around climbing the branches and looking at their colours. why do people keep them in opaque tubs where you can not see them or enjoy looking at them, where they cant stretch out or climb branches, is it just so they can say how many snakes they have, i wouldnt want to live in a box the size of a toilet cubicle and i'm sure the snakes dont enjoy living in a small tub, i dont think that the arguement that it does no long term damage is a fair or valid one. nobody likes to see a puppy farm with dogs crammed in little shoe boxes pumping out puppies so why is it ok for some snake breeders????...........rant over let the tongue lashing from those that keep their reptiles like this begin.
I just don't see how a confined space for some snakes is any good, I'm not worried about ball snakes, corn snakes and other smaller snakes. Its mainly about larger ones, can you see a snake that moves a lot more will be more muscular and healthy, and rack systems are just asking for mites and other parasites which can then infect the hole rack. Also if one snake gets sick, it is Likly the others in the rack being kept in the rack will to. Snowman if you believe that racks are fine and go out and put all your snakes in racks as it is great, that's fine just I'm going to keep snakes in a replica of there environment where they actually move.
This is just another one of those topics in the herp world where people just need to agree to dis agree as it goes nowhere someone that thinks tubs are fine will not convince someone that is against them that they are, and vica versa, I will never use tubs to keep my adult reptiles in, i don't look at them as humans or anything other than wild animals, and although I will never be able to replicate their environment I will try my best.
I give up, you guys might as well be saying that snakes shouldn't exist in the wild as every time snakes are out and about in the wild they are scared out of there minds and whenever another animal looks at them they die of fright. C'mon if you really think that racks are way better then big enclosures I'm sure you could contact Stein enclosures and tell them just how wrong they are, and that they should make little tubs instead of the amazing large enclosures they make. Snowman it is not selfish you keep tour snakes in large enclosures as with the right care nothing's gonna happen, all I'm saying is that I'm not a fan of tubs and I never will.
The wood has nothing to do with it, I was commenting about how big they are. So I believe your argument is irrelevant.Mate I think you'll find stein make big beautiful enclosures more for keepers than reptiles. I don't reckon snakes care if their enclosure is made of nice stained wood that fits the scheme of your home. So that's not a real relevant argument. Also I reckon you find snakes are scared outside in the wild quite a bit, remember anything that flies or is bigger than them can be a potential predator
The wood has nothing to do with it, I was commenting about how big they are. So I believe your argument is irrelevant.
I think you are wasting your time. It's obvious he doesn't know much about keeping snakes. He is deluded and cant get his head around that snakes don't share his same visual desires. I'm mean come on he thought racks promoted mite problems! Even showed his views of humanization (anthropomorphic) of how snakes feel by saying he wouldn't want to be in a small enclosure. BahahahaMmmhmmm, not really. You see a lot of the enclosures people use are big enough and then some. Snakes don't need as much room as a lot of people think. And the part about snakes in the wild, irrelevant too?
snowman you think that i'm gunna do that after the crap that has been talked in this thread, thats just asking to be nit picked untill the cows com home. i'm over this thread seems on this forum that when you have a different opinion to somebody else you get hammered. i dis like tubs, dont understand the need to use them ( unless of relevant size) and that is it, i like to give my snakes room to move as they do move around naturally not sit in the one place (except some species), i cant think of ever going out and finding snakes in the wild that move round and round in circles, if you follow a snake they will cover a fair distance.....yes yes i know their anatomy is different and all that stuff. this is my opinion doesnt make it right and doesnt make it wrong, but i dont think it needs to be hammered.
snowman you think that i'm gunna do that after the crap that has been talked in this thread, thats just asking to be nit picked untill the cows com home. i
snowman you think that i'm gunna do that after the crap that has been talked in this thread, thats just asking to be nit picked untill the cows com home. i'm over this thread seems on this forum that when you have a different opinion to somebody else you get hammered. i dis like tubs, dont understand the need to use them ( unless of relevant size) and that is it, i like to give my snakes room to move as they do move around naturally not sit in the one place (except some species), i cant think of ever going out and finding snakes in the wild that move round and round in circles, if you follow a snake they will cover a fair distance.....yes yes i know their anatomy is different and all that stuff. this is my opinion doesnt make it right and doesnt make it wrong, but i dont think it needs to be hammered.
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2 snakes i bought the other day are 4 foot long and were kept in a tub that was 300Wx500Lx200H approx. they are arboreal snakes, i dont think that sort or cage is appropriate for them! these are the types of tub systems i have a problem with
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