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You soon learn to pick the good from the bad on here, some love their high horses and others are more than willing to help :)

Ant22, I just love to take pictures! Lol nah it's just a glitch with the forum. I've noticed that a handful of people have that same number next to gallery photos, I don't actually have that many photos.
 
Over the years of meeting keepers and professional herpetologists at herp group meetings, at museums, universities, on field surveys, etc, I have noticed commonalities and segregation between the types of people involved with reptiles and frogs. From what I've observed, passionate keepers attempt to find a voice through the medium of the internet. More often than not, keepers come to loggerheads over husbandry issues, etc. On the other hand, there is the realm of professional herpetologists whom often work with reptiles in a research capacity, such as at zoos, in laboratories, or in the bush (but also dabble with keeping as well). Professional herpetologists tend to share their knowledge quietly and confidently, disseminating information to those that will listen, and are far less likely to resort to the type of indignant rant so often seen on websites. Because of this sort of behaviour and elementary level infighting, I believe is the reason such websites lack the participation of Australia's leading herpetologists, whom are conspicuous by their absence.

I think you make a very vaild point here ozziepythons and its a real shame that this happens this way as there is some much to learn about in this amazing herping world of ours if we all were able to share even a fraction of our knowledge and people were willing to listen and take on board what is being said we would be better off as a group.
 
If this was to be applied to the reptile industry, why not the pet industry in general? Plenty of people, in fact, more people than those that jump into the herp world without enough knowledge, buy puppies, kittens, parrots, small animals, and livestock without even the proper basic knowledge of keeping them.

When there are no rules for the rest of the pet industry I find it hard to believe the herp industry would enforce this successfully.

That is true, but most would agree that animals such as cats and dogs don't require as specialised knowledge in regards to heating and lighting, caging and feeding etc.

the aim is not to make the test hard as to restrict people, more so to ensure they have a basic knowledge which increases the welfare of the reptile
 
If anyone thinks we need newbies to have some basic knowledge before acquiring a live reptile, perhaps the appropriately qualified / certified people could offer short courses similar to what Nev Burns and other are doing. The reptile "industry" could then lobby the licencing departments to recognise such process as a basic requirement before a person applies for a reptile keeper's licence.
BUT... do we really want more bureaucracy and more power to the gov. departments?
 
Definitely not. I think that the licensing system in itself is enough to stop people buying on a whim (in NSW anyway I know its different in SA etc).

I believe that in NSW, the licensing system originally intended to protect native species; however as the hobby has grown it has become a profitable section of the DECCW and as a result they will never let it go. Introducing a new course etc would give them yet another excuse to screw money out of us.

If anyone thinks we need newbies to have some basic knowledge before acquiring a live reptile, perhaps the appropriately qualified / certified people could offer short courses similar to what Nev Burns and other are doing. The reptile "industry" could then lobby the licencing departments to recognise such process as a basic requirement before a person applies for a reptile keeper's licence.
BUT... do we really want more bureaucracy and more power to the gov. departments?
 
That is true, but most would agree that animals such as cats and dogs don't require as specialised knowledge in regards to heating and lighting, caging and feeding etc.

the aim is not to make the test hard as to restrict people, more so to ensure they have a basic knowledge which increases the welfare of the reptile

I disagree. Reptiles need specific conditions in terms of heat and lighting. But, parrots need specific knowledge on how to keep them stimulated and happy, and anyone buying their first dog that buys a large breed like a mastiff or rottweiler puppy is just asking for it. All my point is that if there's going to be more regulations on new reptile buyers, the same should be said of the entire pet industry.

At the end of the day, the responsibility lies with the owner.

Definitely not. I think that the licensing system in itself is enough to stop people buying on a whim (in NSW anyway I know its different in SA etc).

I believe that in NSW, the licensing system originally intended to protect native species; however as the hobby has grown it has become a profitable section of the DECCW and as a result they will never let it go. Introducing a new course etc would give them yet another excuse to screw money out of us.

I agree, anouc.
 
Not to be scarcastic, just ironic, you spelt punctuation wrong. But hey great idea about the test.
 
BUT... do we really want more bureaucracy and more power to the gov. departments?

Hell yeah take money away from practical uses and devote them to over regulating the keeping of herps that have nothing to do with conservation, maybe even increase the licence fees and charge ridiculous amounts for animal transfers so more people dont bother with doing stuff legally. Everyone would be better of if they did it like this ;) Please excuse me while i go and check if i still have 153 tadpoles or if some have died or hatched before the day ends.
 
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