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i might go to the aquarium place on anzac highway coz supposedly aggies etc are being renovated atm so i dont no what they would be like rite now

im only going to get 1 fighter now i dont wana take a chance, only thing i dont get is why they keep saying oh no the tank will be to big, i dont see how a tank can be too big for fish? do they stress or something? lol
 
No offence to anyone here but there seems to be a lot of conflicting info from a lot of people who don't really seem to know what they're talking about. There has been some really good advice mixed in here, but sometimes sorting the wheat from the chaff is hard.

I would suggest you head to a specialised fish forum, such as addicted2fish.com or aceforums.com or even boroniaaquarium.com, may need to add au's to the end, they're all in my favourites so can't remember exact addresses. You will get good advice from these places, particularly addicted, I have been a menber there since 04. Avoid fish from pet shops, they are usually mass produced, genetically weak crap from Asia and are usually full of hormones and antibiotics. Go to a proper aquarium, and try and get locally bred stuff. Much hardier, and used to the local water conditions.

Keeping fish is a relatively simple affair, you just need to know what your doing, same as snakes, geckoes, any animal really. I have fish in my collection that are over 5 years old and still breeding. Thats a very long life for some of these little guys!

My advice is research, research, research, you don't want to have another disastrous start to fish keeping. If you head over to addicted I have the same username there, if you have questions about cycling, tank size, species etc just pm me and I can answer them for you.
 
oh cool! then i might be able to see some pics of peoples setups and stuff aswel ill check those out thankyou chris!

only reason i asked for advice on here is because i find that even doing research there is conflicting info too, ill go check that forum out now thankyou!!
 
ok everyone today i went into a place and this is what she suggested to me

1 male fighting fish
4-6 females
and then some neons
catfish
and something starting with a p lol


The one starting with a "P" is probably a Plecostomus..They are pretty much the same as a bristle nose and will clean up a lot of the algae on the glass etc. I hav 3 of them and they are great fish ( attached a pic)

You mentioned eels earlier in the thread, i highly recommend fire eels, if you can get hold of one, and spiny eels. However they are pretty fussy as to what they will eat, Australian eels are great but they will eat all the fish you have and love to escape. I had one missing for over a day and found it around back of the aquarium...It lived after being put back in the tank..:D

Ben
 

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that looks like them! they were really cute and fat looking and one was stuck on the glass eating away at the stuff on it when i saw it today they were about 15 each? i dont no if thats good or not

aust what fishies are native fish that i can get? i wouldnt have a clue...
 
common pleco's can reach 60cm

best to go with bristlnoses or one of the many species of small pleco's if you dont have a nice big tank
 
I agree, way to much conflicting information from people who don't seem to have had much experiance. I havn't bothered to read all of the posts so sorry if i repeat information that has already been said.

Male and female fighter shouldn't be kept together unless you have a heavily planted tank for the females to escape the male. By heavily planted i mean heavily planted. Male fighter fish are usually picked up by most tetras/danios so I'd suggest you avoid getting one. If you like female fighters they are fine with most small tropical fish.

If your new to fish african cichlids are the way to go. They are hardy, easy and fascinating to breed and not all that expensive. They are also what I'd call the bridge connectiong freshwater to saltwater, meaning that they are the step below keeping and maintaining a saltwater tank.

All you need to setup a freshwater tropical tank is;

- water ager
- heater
- pH test kit or alternatively some 5 in 1 test strips (tests for almost all the important things in an aquarium
- if your setting up an african cichlid tank you need some buffer and lake salts

Thats pretty much the basics. If you choose to go for african cichlids I'd suggest you use argonite (also called marble chips) as the gravel. It helps maintain ph and the like so less maintainance for you. Have several strategically placed rocks and ornaments in the tank so the males can each have a territory and will fight less. Don't place all the rocks in one pile cause you will get one male who will take over the entire thing.

I'm sure i read someone saying electric blues and electric yellows can't be kept together because electric yellows will not defend a territory. This is absolutely wrong and I have personally seen male electric yellows nearly kill electric blues the same size and bigger over territories. In a 4ft tank the following combination will work perfect.

1 male & 3 female electric yellows
1 male & 3 female cobolt blue zebras
1 male & 3 female aceii
Some bristlenose.

Buy them small and grow them up, they will go through a rough stage as do most teenage boys but once they are matured you will find you will get a dominant fish who wants peace and will get peace. :p

Most fish shop employees make up alot of things so it is best to check out what ever they tell you if they look like they're uncomfortable. For instance anyone at a fishshop who knows what they are talking about will advise you not to mix african and american cichlids. I find this question usually helps decide whether they know what they are on about as the ones who don't say yes without an explanation while the ones who know what they are talking about will advise not to but explain it can be done.

When cycling a tank you need to have something in it. A tank doesn't cycle unless there is waste in it. I advise you to go out and buy some bristlenose and put them in the tank first. Wait a week and then gradually start to add fish. Add them species by species and once all the fish are in the tank re-arrange it so that all the fish have an equal opportunity to establish a territory.

Oscars grow to large for a standard 4ft tank and so do most natives, with the exception of rainbows and gudgeons. Tetras and the like may seem like the cheapest way into the world of fish but they often are more suceptable to diseases because they are usually bred by the millions in asia and thus are dosed with medication as a precation all the time. By the time they get to you the diseases have became immune to medications. Stick with african cichlids trust me. They are nearly all locally bred and will be far more entertaining then some tetras.

LOL, i just read your original post and saw you want something coldwater and no salts. That rules out basically everything except goldfish, even then they do best if you add rock salt to the tank.

Just quickly so i feel like i didn't waste my time, a heater should have a themostat built into it. If it doesn't buy another for $25 that does and the temperature will be easier to control then that of a reptile cage. Fighting fish cannot be kept without some form of heating.
 
in a 120x60x60 i had a
male electric blue go psyco during breeding season and it went crazy on anything else besides the females.

electric yellows currently got 20 adults never had a problem between males and teritorys of the same species.

electric blues can be really agressive not saying every single one is but quite a few male electric blues haras other fish alot.
 
I get sick of repeating this every time fish get talked about on forums. FISHLESS CYCLING Look it up. You do need waste to cycle a tank but it can come from a bit of dead prawn or even pure ammonia (quite often sold as a cleaning product) Cycling a tank with fish in, even slowly, is a form of torture. Yes many of the tougher types can survive but a beardie can survive in a shoe box or a turtle in a bucket - doesn't make it right.

Lana this is not really aimed at you, more at some of the advice being given so sorry to go a bit off topic.

On another note, I totally agree with Australis - natives are awesome. Not taking anything away from cichlids etc (there are certainly some 'exotic' fish I would kill to own) but I am slowly offloading some of my tropicals in exchange for more natives.
 
plecos for sale

common pleco's can reach 60cm

best to go with bristlnoses or one of the many species of small pleco's if you dont have a nice big tank

yes..i have 2 plecos for sale
1 is 40cm+ and the other is 25cm long
 
Hey, if you like catfish have a look at the pictus catfish (Pimelodus pictus). Beautiful fish.

I had some for a while, but don't have fish anymore.
 
This is what they look like.

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They are classed as tropical fish. They like tank temps of 23 -26 degrees with a ph of 6.5 - 7.5

Not as easy to keep as goldfish but not too hard. I had no dramas with mine.
 
I used my fish tank for frogs after my goldfish died.. :)
 
thanks everyone for ur replys, lol ambah poor fishies!

i have decided to get the snails, brittlenose catfish, i forget there names but something like clown loaches? they looked cool and were in the same set up as the brittle noses, a heap of neons, male fighter, and there was these really wierd see through fish that im going to get some off i dont remember there names either lol
and all the other fish i forgot what there called :( but there was a whole heap we have chosen out that we will get over a few wks (the guy at the shop told me to get some put them in then go back a wk later get them put them in) is that neccisarry?
my partner is buying a 140L jebo tank for me from mrs i (cheers hun!) and ill cycle it etc all before i get the fish, we just went down yesturday to have a look at everything and work out what we want so we no what to get when we are finished cylcing
 
Good choice of fish! Dont get the clown loaches!! They get really big and need to be kept in a school!
 
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