Know-it alls!

[Defective]

NOTE*ok so this is not a insulting thread to people that actually know what they're talking about, have a small amount of knowledge or have done the research. this is more aimed at those that are ABSOLUTELY and POSITIVELY clueless about snakes (also i did a search, couldn't find anything similar)

I was at my uncle's BBQ and somehow we got on the topic of snakes and this guy was rattling off breeds of carpet pythons that could 'kill you' and i just laughed asked him if he'd ever seen a carpet python and he said 'yeah a queensland coastal, <insert name> owns one" the nameless person has 2 kids! i doubt her first snake would be a venomous one that is handled constantly and has bitten said nameless person and one of her children.

then he went on to say how deadly the taipan and tiger are and i said yeah...if your a mouse seeming as though there (please correct me if i'm wrong) is no record of a taipan or tiger biting a human and our unpreventable fatalities rate compared with USA is AUS 0.13 USA 1.

he was like "ohh if i saw a brown snake i'd lop its head off" NOW this is what fustrated me and i am pro snake, i asked him if he has ever lived on a property before and if he could ever recognise the difference between a legless lizard and a snake?

LMAO...Answer: A what?:lol:

ohh my for someone to be as uneducated as that...although he didn't know that peter brock had died and has been dead for 5 years and insisted rally driving was safer than V8 soooo.

 

[Elapidae1]

Tigers have killed humans

 

[blakehose]

They used to be the leading cause of snake bite fatalities in Australia before being overtaken by the Common Brown

 

[D3pro]

Common browns and Tigers not killing anyone? that sounds a bit odd... all that killing power and no kill?

 

[PhilK]

Breeds of carpet python...?

 

[AUSGECKO]

There are records of both Tigers and Taipans biting humans, seems as though a bit more research is needed

 

[Defective]

Tigers have killed humans

they have but in a recent study over a 24 year period (1980 - 2004) and take away all the avoidable bites, you are left with two unavoidable fatal bites by Australian venomous snakes, plus another four where there was insufficient data to determine the cause of the bite.

and the most common causes to snake bites in Australia are
-alcohol
- people treading on them because they didn't see them (whole reason i walk with my head looking down)
- people handling or try to kill venomous snakes without the knowledge
- majority happen to males because of pride, ego and heroism ( impress a girl by boasting on being able to pick up that snake when it is a red belly?? then getting bitten)

Breeds of carpet python...?

oops i should clear that up to he was the one that said 'breeds of carpet python"..i'm educated and have the sense to talk to people more experienced than myself and know when to apologise! the guy is a douche bag he argued with my mum about the temperature in my mums home town for 2hours trying to prove her wrong...who knows better some city slicker or someone that has actually lived there for 18yrs, he tried to tell said nameless person how to look after her coastal when she's had it for 2years and her brother is a breeder of them, i can confidently say that if we both attended a venomous snakes course and then did a test...i would pass and he would fail miserably because he gets the poopies when proven wrong about anything.

There are records of both Tigers and Taipans biting humans, seems as though a bit more research is needed

which is why i said to correct me if i'm wrong, i'm going by the data that i've found that has said the same or similar things...no i don't trust wiki! i just haven't come across anything that has said tigers and taipans have bitten humans.

 

[JasonL]

Tiger Snake

that took 2 seconds to dig up.

 

[Defective]

all i am trying to point out is that there are clearly some totally dimwitted gits out there that think they know everything. Im not claiming to know everything because i don't i don't specialise in snakes i specialise in lizards.
clearly most people think im a half wit so i just won't bother anymore.

 

[Wally]

I don't think you're a half wit Lambert, but judging others in a public way is fraught with danger. Get that Beardie you're so keen on owning and put your energy into learning everything you can about them.

 

[JAS101]

u are allways going to get "know it alls" even tho the have never owned that species of animal , but yet they will give advice on how to look after it . as long as U know how to look after it and doing so , then i wouldnt bother/ worry about what other pepole are saying . and by posting this sort of stuff on the forum wont help the " know it alls "

 

[slim6y]

Coastal taipans have also killed - but inland taipans are very rare to come across.

Wildlife Qld Coastal Taipan

Anyhow - not really an issue....

The guy obviously needs to move to a) Antarctic, b) Ireland or c) New Zealand - no recorded snakes occur on any of these islands or continents.

 

[Eddie2257]

some people have no idea. i did a first aid course at school and we had someone come in to do the test with us and it came around to snake bites and what you do for them, well in this book we were looking at it had photo of a python, i asked the guy why would they put a photo of a python in the part with presure imobilisation bandages? and his responce was well pythons can be very deadly and some species can have very toxic venom. i thaught it was funny that someone that is ment to have a slight knowlege of the subjets dident know anything at all and then he went on to tell me that he did first aid at the sydney wildlife world and they have rooms set up with all the extreamly venoms "pythons" in them and only some people are trained to handle them.
Eddie

 

[cris]

I would really doubt taipans of any type have never killed anyone, especially before records where kept, im pretty sure there are a couple recorded deaths from coastal tiapans anyway. They are very alert animals though so typically get out of the way rather than sit around to get stepped on like many other species. In PNG they kill heaps of people (although not the same species).

some people have no idea. i did a first aid course at school and we had someone come in to do the test with us and it came around to snake bites and what you do for them, well in this book we were looking at it had photo of a python, i asked the guy why would they put a photo of a python in the part with presure imobilisation bandages? and his responce was well pythons can be very deadly and some species can have very toxic venom. i thaught it was funny that someone that is ment to have a slight knowlege of the subjets dident know anything at all and then he went on to tell me that he did first aid at the sydney wildlife world and they have rooms set up with all the extreamly venoms "pythons" in them and only some people are trained to handle them.
Eddie

These are tiger snake X carpet pythons, everyone knows these are the most dangerous snake in Australia, no one has ever survived after looking at one.

 

[Klaery]

Didn't the bloke that actually caught the first coastal taipan (to be recorded anyway) die on the return trip? seem to remember a story that he was bitten through the bag.

 

[Snake_Whisperer]

I'm sure I read in a book somewhere, that prior to the invention of anti-venom, there was only a single recorderd survival from a coastal taipan bite. Conversely, there has not been a single fatality from the bite of the "deadliest" snake in the world, the inland taipan.

 

[PhilK]

Conversely, there has not been a single fatality from the bite of the "deadliest" snake in the world, the inland taipan.

Exactly why the inland taipan isn't the deadliest snake in the world.. it's has the most toxic venom (I think)

 

[cris]

Exactly why the inland taipan isn't the deadliest snake in the world.. it's has the most toxic venom (I think)

I guess the correct way of putting would be one of the most deadly bites or venoms, mozzies cause far more deaths than any snake, i have been bitten by thousands if not millions of them and the worst i have got is Ross River Fever. I dont think i would be posting this if i had been bitten by thousands of taipans. It all comes back to what you mean by the word deadly and it isnt a word with one clear cut defintion.

 

[Shredder]

Lets all face it.

The real experts dont comment on little forums like this one.

They are far too busy doing what they do best.

 

[garthy]

Lets all face it.

The real experts dont comment on little forums like this one.

They are far too busy doing what they do best.

Then you get those of us that know only some stuff (?) and are willing to share that knowledge for the betterment and improvement of those that know less.