richardsc
Very Well-Known Member
dabool u dont mean a lutino galah do u,if not id love to see a pic of a luecistic galah as well
no i meant luecistic galah there is a few photos floating around i will try and find them it was a wild bird.dabool u dont mean a lutino galah do u,if not id love to see a pic of a luecistic galah as well
Euan,
You are just as aware as I am that scientific papers aren't in abundance where albino's and other reptile morph's etc are concerned. Researchers tend to concentrate on wild types rather than putting valuable research dollars into establishing whether David Barker has correctly labeled something as T+ and T-.
The fact remains that just because something might not yet of had a scientific paper(in relation to pythons) written about it doesn't mean he and many others aren't correct in their assumptions.
I seem to remember some time ago talk in the Leopard gecko community there was talk about undertaking Tyrosinase tests to establish what was what. I think there was also some work done on Rat snakes also.
As far as having not been in a big enough circle of herpetoculture, well maybe just a case of not being in a circle of herpetoculture that encompasses your views. There are many big name breeders that go along with the T+ and T- labels two of which you have mentioned yourself and countless others to boot.
What would you classify the animals as that are currently labeled as T+ and T-?
What would you label the conditions if not that described?
At the end of the day, people will always have different views and takes on the subject, mine is as I have expressed as it makes sense to me.
Cheers Neil
Neil You are reading my remarks from your eyes The problem with forums is there is no real emotion which us humans use to understand each other.
My circle of herpetoculture acquaintances, circles the world litterally, name a country with a reptile industry and I would probably have an acquaintance there from hobby to professional, from retail to export
I am not saying those animals labeled as T+ or T- are or are not, just noting that as far as I was aware it was not proven. People have been using the terms simply because another did without real knowledge of the correctness of the term or not. Frequently we see in all walks of life people saying things without any real knowledge of the subject rather they say it because another did, not because they actually know it Example how many people made comments on this thread without any real knowledge ???
I forgot about Bechtel's book, unfortunately my copy is in storage in the USA. He could be considered the grandfather of mutation reptile breeding started with albino cornsnakes nearly before I was born (an exaggeration). I can't remember when it was published but I think Krieger published it around the mid nineties.
Knowing quite well the extent of mutation reptile breeding in the USA, and haven returned to Australia to find it is now a mini USA I have no doubt that mutation reptile breeding here will expand phenomenonally. So now is a good time to try and clear up mutation naming where possible. There are a couple of published books available to start from. Though to be fair in regards to one by Stephan Broghammer I have a dispute with him in regards to the naming of Jungle Ball Pythons We have discussed it previously and we still do not agree
As Bapi noted and I alluded to Terry Martin did research into bird mutations and their names and help greatly IMHO to remove a lot of confusion. Now that mutation reptiles have started to become available in Australia more confusion will come here. Especially when one considers that very few people in Australia have any experience with reptile mutation breeding and naming. Which is why I used the term "common usage".
It does amaze me though that nobody has done the research in the USA to produce (something like Terry Martins work) something modern on reptile mutations.
well there more luecistic than hypo so it would be more acurate hmmmm ok. weirdohypomelanistic only starts to describe there mutation so your saying there leucistic,hmmmm ok
on a personal level,i think these northerns look 1000 times nicer than the albino easterns,those albinos just dont look right to me,lol,the black easterns look awsome though,bapi thanks mate,would love to see a pic or 2 of these northerns as juvies,even a few together with normal appearing siblings,are they as pale as the adults when they are newborn or does it develop with age,i totally agree with u dabool,those white/pale northerns look very nice indeed,im imagining the pic doesnt do them justice either
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