Pet Store on SPRINGVALE RD, VICTORIA! Urgent! Need your help!

[darbys girl]

:cry: Hay guys, taken a few days to get here but alas i have! just wanting to say its good to see that there is still fantastic people out there caring for our cute an fury friends! i too was a utter mess when i entered that big yollow pet cemetry on the springvale. i have only been in melb for a very short time and in that 4 weeks i have managed too visit nearly every pet store in the city! trying to get best deals and in the serch of the perfect 6 footer! Seen many happy pets and perfectly clean cages! I take my hat off too the crew at the mentone and bungarong i think its called! some A-grade veiwing ! Then traveling down a highway i spoted a huge pet store and to the dismay of my boyfriend ( who has been living in the area for many years) wanted to go in! well yes i was shocked deverstated an so angry at the keeping of som of the so called PETS! These animals are not pets but prisoners, big pups in small cage, very very sad reptiles! som i do belive dead mayby good actors but i just dont know! wounds and scraps bad sheds, birds that should be able to fly! and all way over priced! i asked to speak to the boss and was presented wit a 17 year old girl! i asked questions on the health of certain reptiles, the reply was they have all been vet treated an in proscess of healing! I then said to her well why is that one dead then! Opps sorry was the answer! at this note i leaft the shop! Have returned every week to basicly observe! all the steff under 17 no idea what so ever! i have contacted the RSPCA but have not gained ground i have also been in contact wit DSE! But yes the problem being! so i have put my bit in and been in contact wit australia zoo requesting there support! we got to try and do somthing cause there is a lot of saddness around let us make it ! Its not as simple as the A B C! cheers!

 

[alex_c]

:cry: Hay guys, taken a few days to get here but alas i have! just wanting to say its good to see that there is still fantastic people out there caring for our cute an fury friends! i too was a utter mess when i entered that big yollow pet cemetry on the springvale. i have only been in melb for a very short time and in that 4 weeks i have managed too visit nearly every pet store in the city! trying to get best deals and in the serch of the perfect 6 footer! Seen many happy pets and perfectly clean cages! I take my hat off too the crew at the mentone and bungarong i think its called! some A-grade veiwing ! Then traveling down a highway i spoted a huge pet store and to the dismay of my boyfriend ( who has been living in the area for many years) wanted to go in! well yes i was shocked deverstated an so angry at the keeping of som of the so called PETS! These animals are not pets but prisoners, big pups in small cage, very very sad reptiles! som i do belive dead mayby good actors but i just dont know! wounds and scraps bad sheds, birds that should be able to fly! and all way over priced! i asked to speak to the boss and was presented wit a 17 year old girl! i asked questions on the health of certain reptiles, the reply was they have all been vet treated an in proscess of healing! I then said to her well why is that one dead then! Opps sorry was the answer! at this note i leaft the shop! Have returned every week to basicly observe! all the steff under 17 no idea what so ever! i have contacted the RSPCA but have not gained ground i have also been in contact wit DSE! But yes the problem being! so i have put my bit in and been in contact wit australia zoo requesting there support! we got to try and do somthing cause there is a lot of saddness around let us make it ! Its not as simple as the A B C! cheers!

if this doesnt work it would be quite possible to play a few simple mind games with those kids on msn if they have it and turn them against the owner im sure they will snap like twigs

 

[troycoop]

Would love to help as alot of ppl have said but unless you can give me something to do here on the gold coast i can only hope and pray these A**H***s pay..

Kirsty

 

[paleoherp]

I just spoke to somebody in the pet industry today who claimed she formally worked for the RSPCA. She was able to tell me that the Springvale City Council and the RSPCA have been building a case against this shop for the last 18 months in an attempt to close them down permanently, although I have not confirmed this for myself

 

[Mystery]

:cry: Hay guys, taken a few days to get here but alas i have! just wanting to say its good to see that there is still fantastic people out there caring for our cute an fury friends! i too was a utter mess when i entered that big yollow pet cemetry on the springvale. i have only been in melb for a very short time and in that 4 weeks i have managed too visit nearly every pet store in the city! trying to get best deals and in the serch of the perfect 6 footer! Seen many happy pets and perfectly clean cages! I take my hat off too the crew at the mentone and bungarong i think its called! some A-grade veiwing ! Then traveling down a highway i spoted a huge pet store and to the dismay of my boyfriend ( who has been living in the area for many years) wanted to go in! well yes i was shocked deverstated an so angry at the keeping of som of the so called PETS! These animals are not pets but prisoners, big pups in small cage, very very sad reptiles! som i do belive dead mayby good actors but i just dont know! wounds and scraps bad sheds, birds that should be able to fly! and all way over priced! i asked to speak to the boss and was presented wit a 17 year old girl! i asked questions on the health of certain reptiles, the reply was they have all been vet treated an in proscess of healing! I then said to her well why is that one dead then! Opps sorry was the answer! at this note i leaft the shop! Have returned every week to basicly observe! all the steff under 17 no idea what so ever! i have contacted the RSPCA but have not gained ground i have also been in contact wit DSE! But yes the problem being! so i have put my bit in and been in contact wit australia zoo requesting there support! we got to try and do somthing cause there is a lot of saddness around let us make it ! Its not as simple as the A B C! cheers!

Good on you for having a go - what was the RSPCA's response?? I can't believe all these high powered so and so's just sit their with their arms folded!!

 

[Midol]

EVERYONE needs to simply stop buying from stores that deal in live animals (maybe excluding fish).

If they sell dogs, cats, reptiles, birds, rabbits, pigs... Then simply do not shop there. Find a store that sells only supplies and give them your business.

Amending this to say specialised reptile stores might be alright, but with cats, dogs and pigs... Always a no.

 

[darbys girl]

Mate got to give a bash or yeah get no where! The response still poor but i am waiting from the aussie zoo crew to buzz me! if there is a will there is a way! those animals need us!

 

[curtis]

I have forwarded the pm's sent to me to my girlfriend as they were written, keep them coming in please the more the better.
Sorry if i havent answered your pms im having trouble focusing at the moment.

No problem! Just get in touch if anything interesting comes up. Thanks again for your help!

 

[coxy]

EVERYONE needs to simply stop buying from stores that deal in live animals (maybe excluding fish).

If they sell dogs, cats, reptiles, birds, rabbits, pigs... Then simply do not shop there. Find a store that sells only supplies and give them your business.

Amending this to say specialised reptile stores might be alright, but with cats, dogs and pigs... Always a no.

Thats fine in theory, but how many of the people that buy from these shops are on these forums, or any animal related forums for that matter, not that many. So what do you propose can be done to educate the general public about buying from these store's????

 

[sxc_celly]

Theres already an organisation called "say no to animals in pet shops". I believe someone on this website has it as there signature. Ive dealt with them before, handed out flyers and put hand outs in peoples letter boxs. They believe in NO animals in pet store. No birds, no reptiles, no fish, no dogs no cats nothing, just supplies. In theory i did believe in it - but it will NEVER happen. There are some good stores out there who do care greatly for their animals and have the housed fed and cared for properly - and always make sure the right animals goes to the right home. But on the other side there are fools like the ppl in this store who dont give a damn except about the money. Honestly i think pets in stores are alright now - after leaving that organisation. I believe only pure bred animals - there should not be any cross breeds in stores - if you want a crossbreed go to the RSPCA and rescue one there. And honestly Im sure pets in pets stores - in clean caring monitored conditions are much better than those backyard breeders - with cats and dogs in worse conditions than can be imagined!

 

[herpheaven]

ok im in no way stopping any of you from protesting or trying to have stores closed but i need to give you a little info that you need to consider, the DSE wont close a store down unless its almost been abandoned. they need these stores to pay for there licenses (which costs a few thousand) which pays wages, the DSE will only issue fines but stores still keep there licenses. also the DSE has very few staff that can investigate stores as most of there staff sit in a building answering telephones all day so dont expect them to get around to investigations any time soon. im not being negative but theres really nothing you can do in terms of closing down the store using the authorities. the only way is to stop any live animals from being supplied, but the store will always be there as they will still sell normal supplies. try your best guys but dont get your hopes up for a victory.

Your almost right about DSE, however, they send field officers out to inspect the store, if it is an issue with health and hygiene then it goes to DPI, if it is ilegal reptiles/animals the DSE deal with it. As for RSPCA....all creatures cute and cuddly....they actually condone the killing of snakes...I know this from personal experience...dont hope for help from them.....unless there are cute little furry animals involved!

 

[cris]

EVERYONE needs to simply stop buying from stores that deal in live animals (maybe excluding fish).

Why not fish? why shouldnt they have feeder insects? Fish are alot harder to care for than most reptiles.
I personally think they should completely ban all private keeping aswell since some private keepers are cruel and neglect their animals

 

[herpheaven]

IMO we need to focus on the problem of "bad" pet stores.....the selling of animals can be done in a manner in which the animals are not distressed and are well looked after....in QLD the stores need to do a husbandry course in order to sell reptiles....in victoria....send off your money.....get through the inspection....no problems.....I have 1st hand knowledge of a local pet store who has never kept reptiles getting a permit and employing inexperience teenagers to sell the reptiles....nothing against teenagers, but many dont have the knowledge needed to pass on information to people when they buy their first reptile....maybe regs need to be tightened in Victoria to prevent this from happening?!?!?!

 

[Mystery]

Spot on - not all private keepers, but there are some horrific puppy farmers out there, like the guy on TV the other night with the Chihuahua's - absolutely disgusting. I don't believe in supporting puppy farmers. How can anyone with that many animals possibly look after them. We also have some pretty bad reptile keepers around here.
Where does this Springvale pet shop get there reptiles from? Do they breed their own? If not the ppl supplying them must be just as bad!! Or they get them from interstate so the breeders can't see where they are going.

 

[cris]

Spot on - not all private keepers, but there are some horrific puppy farmers out there, like the guy on TV the other night with the Chihuahua's - absolutely disgusting. I don't believe in supporting puppy farmers. How can anyone with that many animals possibly look after them. We also have some pretty bad reptile keepers around here.

Yeah especially when it comes to rodents, probably the majority of rodents kept for snake food would suffer far more cruelty than those dogs you mention.

I was being sarcastic with the above comment i really hate idiots who want to ban stuff completely because some do the wrong thing, these sort of ppl are the biggest risk to our freedoms in general, true scum IMO.

 

[Midol]

Cris, where did I say I wanted to ban stuff completely?

There is nothing wrong with restricting how you can buy animals. When I said excluding fish I meant for specialised aquarium stores. The thing is, I've NEVER seen a pet shop sell dogs, cats or pigs ethically (rather impossible actually given the registered breeders code of ethics bans selling dogs to petshops...) and I've never been into a pet shop who knows anything about dogs (breeds or health)... Hell, last week they had GSD x Shiba Inus in and were claiming they were easy to train? ***. That is the stupidest cross I've ever seen and certainly will not be easy to train. Three quarters of the people on APS will have no idea. Dogs are a completely different animal than rats (if you hadn't noticed) and there requirements are far different. You can't compare the two.

Coxy, quite simply I'd like to see it banned and then the public has to go through private breeders. Using dogs again as an example, a registered ethical breeder screens all owners to ensure the dogs are going to a good home. The pet shop? I can walk in there tomorrow and buy out their entire 'stock' of dogs and they won't bat an eye lid.

 

[OdessaStud]

Im sorry everyone but i can no longer deal with this issue as well,
Please send your emails and details to the Springvale Shire they are in the phone book.

Also anyone waiting for rodents from me im sorry but im now out of business if i cant even save a baby what good am i to anyone.... So sorry

 

[Miss B]

Odessa, don't feel bad - you tried your best

And I'm sure Robbie's family are grateful for that!

 

[cris]

Cris, where did I say I wanted to ban stuff completely?

You dont actually have to try and take things as personal attacks or critisim, sorry if you thought that was directed at you. Athough i do see your approach as similar, just not as extreme and far more rational. I dont try and argue with ppl just ideas most of the time i dont even take notice of who says what.

You have attacked all petshops with your statement and i think its just absurd to suggest no petshops anywhere can have satisfactory knowledge of any animals but fish. I do agree that specialty shops are generally the ones that treat animals well(this is more because they have more passion than drive for profit IMO), but there is absolutely no reason why shop workers couldnt have knowledge of more than one class of animal.

I keep various reptiles, frogs, fish and mammals i know how to care for these animals, if i opened a petshop it would have all these types of critters and they could easily be well looked after.

IMO rats and dogs have very similar style of requirements in that they are both intellegent social mamals, sure one wants to hunt and kill while the other is more of a foraging animal but they still have the same sort of basic needs.

 

[alex_c]

Why not fish? why shouldnt they have feeder insects? Fish are alot harder to care for than most reptiles.
I personally think they should completely ban all private keeping aswell since some private keepers are cruel and neglect their animals

exactly one simple stuff up with fish and you can lose $1000+ worth in a few hours