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Guys, if you want debate colour morphs and genetics, would you mind to start a new tread? I am really keen to hear answers to my original questions. No offense!
By the way, Hix, to determine locality origin, you have to look at mitochonrial DNA, which tells you nothing about the paternal side. However, if you do neighboring analysis using the western populations as an outgroup, true native males will fall into the Iron Range clade. I am happy to discuss this further in another tread.
By the way, Hix, to determine locality origin, you have to look at mitochonrial DNA, which tells you nothing about the paternal side. However, if you do neighboring analysis using the western populations as an outgroup, true native males will fall into the Iron Range clade. I am happy to discuss this further in another tread.
Randy, your last shot is unmistakably from Iron Ramge - the fence line of King Park with the QPWS barracks in the background. Also, unmistakably Ausie python! The Bade (do you mean Badu?) can't be mistaken for Aus. native for it's yellow snout.
I guess the question should be asked of the breeder is what kind of proof can you actually provide? Surely just telling someone the origin of the babies isn't going to be sufficient. What kind of proof is a breeder of 'Aussie' greens actually able to provide a prospective buyer?
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Craftsman,
IMO, In an ideal world I would require an evidence trail as to where the original native aussies were acquired from and their subsequent offspring. A sort of pedigree.
However, I know that it is unlikely to happen, due mainly to the fact that the original snakes would have been almost certainly illegally wild caught(Not saying yours were, but maybe the parents of yours or grandparents).
In reality I think that the best you can ask for is what breeders do in other countries, and that is give a letter to authenticate the animals, maybe even a microchip as is insisted upon when selling Cites Appendix 1 animals in the UK(obviously the chip can't be inserted until the animals are a certain size).
Again, there is a certain amount of trust involved, however more and more people are recognising a true Aussie from appearance, or at least have a good idea of what one should look like, so that with photo's of parents etc should be enough IMO.
Cheers Neil
IMO, In an ideal world I would require an evidence trail as to where the original native aussies were acquired from and their subsequent offspring. A sort of pedigree.
However, I know that it is unlikely to happen, due mainly to the fact that the original snakes would have been almost certainly illegally wild caught(Not saying yours were, but maybe the parents of yours or grandparents).
In reality I think that the best you can ask for is what breeders do in other countries, and that is give a letter to authenticate the animals, maybe even a microchip as is insisted upon when selling Cites Appendix 1 animals in the UK(obviously the chip can't be inserted until the animals are a certain size).
Again, there is a certain amount of trust involved, however more and more people are recognising a true Aussie from appearance, or at least have a good idea of what one should look like, so that with photo's of parents etc should be enough IMO.
Cheers Neil
Neil, going by "look" helps only when buying adults, but when buying hatchlings the breeder could show you any photos and they may not necessarily be the parents. We all know someone who does that with another species 
Once again it boils down to trust.
Once again it boils down to trust.
Thanks for your sensible opinion Neil.
It seems to be the buyer's first question - how do I know, what proof is there? In my opinion, they are asking for the impossible. Even DNA and PIT tags can be swindled, so at the end of the day - it's a question of trust, integrity and reputation on the breeder's part.
It seems to be the buyer's first question - how do I know, what proof is there? In my opinion, they are asking for the impossible. Even DNA and PIT tags can be swindled, so at the end of the day - it's a question of trust, integrity and reputation on the breeder's part.
I would basically asking for hard core proof of the animals pedigree and, as I said above asking the breeder how they can provide me with the proof of the animals origin. You can swear on your mothers grave till your blue in the face but as a buyer the first thing I would ask is how you can provide me with the evidence
Splitmore, you are going around in circles. Read Neil's and my messages and hopefuly, you will also conclude that you would be asking for the impossible. How can anyone provide with a hard core proof, short of admitting that he/she taken the animals from the wild? And is he/she was stupid enough to say that, would you believe him/her or would you demand a hard core proof of him/her poaching? Perhaps you could conclude the transaction with the breeder in a jail.
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Codered: What do you mean with this line. . We all know someone who does that with another species
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amazonian
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I took this quote from another thread. Hope you don't mind.
If this is infact true then why would yourself or the other 4 collectors face a jail term for prooving where the animals originated from? Surely there would be documentation to prove their animals are 100% Aussies?, and this documentation should be enough IMO to fulfill any prospective buyers genuine concerns.
If this is infact true then why would yourself or the other 4 collectors face a jail term for prooving where the animals originated from? Surely there would be documentation to prove their animals are 100% Aussies?, and this documentation should be enough IMO to fulfill any prospective buyers genuine concerns.
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It wouldn't prove that the animals for sale are direct descendants from the animals taken on permit, but if i viewed the permit and it was authentic and the person selling the GTP's proved to me that they are the same person listed on the permit, then that would be enough for me. Obviously there still needs to be that bit of trust there. I should add, i would also want to a see paper trail from the original animals taken on permit which leads to the offspring that are for sale.
Codered: What do you mean with this line. . We all know someone who does that with another species
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There was a breeder that was swapping pics of adults. He doesnt sell much anymore as most people seem to have worked out he was dodgy. Nothing to do with GTP's.
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I think the major reason for people wanting the proove in teh first place is due to paying more for a pure Aussie animal. If Aussie GTP's were advertised at $5000 alongside the multitude of exotics I think most if not all buyers would be content with just seeing photo's of the parents & taking the breeders word for it. But when you are paying $3000 extra per animal you want some sort of garuntee for your purchase JMO
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What species are we talking about, Im intrigued?????
Hi Amazonia,
since you addressed me by my name would you have the decency and let us know your name?
Who said that those snakes taken in the eighties left any captive bred progeny surviving today? I was merely stating that such activities took place and I can prove it. Don't jump conclusions buddy!
since you addressed me by my name would you have the decency and let us know your name?
Who said that those snakes taken in the eighties left any captive bred progeny surviving today? I was merely stating that such activities took place and I can prove it. Don't jump conclusions buddy!
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